Well guys, I have a week to spare, and I really wanna do something with Brawl.

[Kilroy]

I have all the characters unlocked, and I'm too lazy to do most of the challenges.

So, I'm thinking of attempting a tier list.

But I don't want to make it poopty, so I'm going to need a little help.

This SHOULD take at least a week, maybe two weeks at max, because I have to get used to 35 characters, understand what they're like, and what they're meant to be like, and rank them.

However, I don't want to make it just numbered ranks, or even close to as bad, as http://www.consolemonster.com/newspost.php?id=0000003217 that guy's (Can someone tell me how to make Text into a URL?). I'd like to sort people out into "Heavy", "All-Around", and "Light", and rank them there too.

I'd also like to make a separate list for the stadium challenges.

So, yes, this IS going to take a while, but what I'm mainly going to need help on is testing out the characters in an actual Brawl, one of each type.

I can't use computers, because by the time I get to the 30th character, I'll have memorized the computer's patterns and easily beat them, so I'll need at least 15 people to test on (Rotate through the 1st 15 characters, and repeat). I'd really like to do this, and I'm already testing out Mario, so if anyone would like to help me, or would like to give me tips, just PM me or talk about it in this thread.

~Olimar

[Geno]

Genius.

[Kilroy]

Genius.

*is confused*

I thought there were no one word posts, btw >_>

[Kilroy]

I just Finished Mario, and I can only say darn, that was fast :P

Tell me how I'm doing so far.

"Mario Damages:

A: 3%
AA: 5%
AAA: 9% (3rd strike may not hit after the first two hits)
Running: 9%

B: 5%
>B: 8% (Also turns victim around)
Down-B: 0% (Pushes victim away from Mario
^B: Max of 12% (Will vary, depends on how many coins come out, initial hit does 5%)

Smashes (Charged)

>A: 19%
Down-A: 21% (Will trip and push away a victim at low %)
^A: 19% (Affects entire area 180 degrees around Mario, from right side of waist to left)

Smashes (Uncharged)

>A: 14%
Down-A: 15%
^A: 14%

Aerials (Assuming you're facing left)

A: 10%
<A: 13% (Meteor Smash)
Down-A: 5% (Don't use this move, it really does suck >_> )
>A: 12%
^A: 11%

Grabs (Again, facing left)

A: 3%
^: 7%
Down: 6%
<: 9%
>: 12%



Final Smash: Range will change final outcome, the farther away, the less damage, but, if you get too close to Mario, you might not get damaged much. If you touch his hands before the fireballs get launched, it does 9%. You should get between 15% and 25% from this Final Smash. Very useful at pushing people off stage. Threat Level: Moderate

Point Match recommendation: Mario will do fine in these. He's just strong enough to kill people at around 100%, yet fast enough to escape death himself. He's all-around, what do you expect. Rating: 8

Stock Match recommendation: Mario is one of those characters who are great at Stock Matches. He can handle being at high percentages well, and is has a pretty high chance at winning these kinds of matches. Rating: 9

Coin Match recommendation: Ugh, luckily, no one plays Coin. This is Mario''s weak point, his attacks aren't very fast, and he isn't very fast himself. Yes, he can escape death, but can he outrun Captain Falcon? No. Not only that, the only thing that will deliver a dollar bill are his smashes and on occasion his down throw.

Personal Opinion after all that: Mario is meant to be an all-around character. He always was, and always will be. Don't worry if you can't outrun Sonic. Don't worry if you can't out-power Ganondorf, Mario is meant to be like that. If you mainly play as Mario, good for you. He's rarely played as, and really shouldn't be. He's a good character for anyone, experienced or new, to play as."

[HTA!]

Good luck, is all I can say.
I would help, but I would end up disagreeing with the list anyway =p

Tell me if you need a test dummy, it would be better if all the people were different.

[Kilroy]

Good luck, is all I can say.
I would help, but I would end up disagreeing with the list anyway =p

Tell me if you need a test dummy, it would be better if all the people were different.

I need to test out Luigi now anyway.

What do you think of Mario's, btw?

[HTA!]

Good luck, is all I can say.
I would help, but I would end up disagreeing with the list anyway =p

Tell me if you need a test dummy, it would be better if all the people were different.

I need to test out Luigi now anyway.

What do you think of Mario's, btw?

Accurate for the most part.
The problem is, you can't get his full potential from simply listing his moves and attributes.

A good start, but for the most accurate possible from a single person, you need a few matches.
Mario is actually better than most think due to his priority with a few of his moves and the spike.
His cape helps him succeed where many others fail which is projectile defense.

Hes a little over middle tier, but you pretty much got the nail on the head.

[Kilroy]

Good luck, is all I can say.
I would help, but I would end up disagreeing with the list anyway =p

Tell me if you need a test dummy, it would be better if all the people were different.

I need to test out Luigi now anyway.

What do you think of Mario's, btw?

Accurate for the most part.
The problem is, you can't get his full potential from simply listing his moves and attributes.

A good start, but for the most accurate possible from a single person, you need a few matches.
Mario is actually better than most think due to his priority with a few of his moves and the spike.
His cape helps him succeed where many others fail which is projectile defense.

Hes a little over middle tier, but you pretty much got the nail on the head.

Do three matches count as a few?

I'm doing one of each kind for each character...

[HTA!]

Good luck, is all I can say.
I would help, but I would end up disagreeing with the list anyway =p

Tell me if you need a test dummy, it would be better if all the people were different.

I need to test out Luigi now anyway.

What do you think of Mario's, btw?

Accurate for the most part.
The problem is, you can't get his full potential from simply listing his moves and attributes.

A good start, but for the most accurate possible from a single person, you need a few matches.
Mario is actually better than most think due to his priority with a few of his moves and the spike.
His cape helps him succeed where many others fail which is projectile defense.

Hes a little over middle tier, but you pretty much got the nail on the head.

Do three matches count as a few?

I'm doing one of each kind for each character...

For your time limit... its acceptable.

[Kilroy]

Good luck, is all I can say.
I would help, but I would end up disagreeing with the list anyway =p

Tell me if you need a test dummy, it would be better if all the people were different.

I need to test out Luigi now anyway.

What do you think of Mario's, btw?

Accurate for the most part.
The problem is, you can't get his full potential from simply listing his moves and attributes.

A good start, but for the most accurate possible from a single person, you need a few matches.
Mario is actually better than most think due to his priority with a few of his moves and the spike.
His cape helps him succeed where many others fail which is projectile defense.

Hes a little over middle tier, but you pretty much got the nail on the head.

Do three matches count as a few?

I'm doing one of each kind for each character...

For your time limit... its acceptable.

yay

Also, I can use you as a lab rat, if you wish :P

[Kilroy]

I just finished Luigi. Thanks Chunkey for playing with me :P

Luigi Damages

A: 3%
AA: 5%
AAA: 10%
Running: Up to 8% (If hit by every strike, 8%)

B: 6% (Does not get affected by Gravity)
>B: 26% (If 1/8 Chance, 26%)
Down-B: 12% (Mash B to hover!)
^B: If direct hit, 25%, if not, 1% (Direct hit sends victim FLYING)

Smashes (Charged)

>A: 19% (Can be aimed if you move the control stick during charge)
Down-A: 22%
^A: 21% (Same results as Mario)

Smashes (Uncharged)

>A: 14%
Down-A: 16%
^A: 15%

Aerials (Facing Left)

A: 14%
^A: 13%
Down A: 11%
<A: 10%
>A: 12%

Grabs (Facing Left)

A: 3%
^: 8%
Down: 6%
<:15%
>: 12%




Final Smash: Very interesting Final Smash. This proves that Luigi isn't as much of a Clone of Mario as people make him out to be. Results may vary in what happens. Sleeping, Pitfall effects, flower, uncontrollable taunting, all possible. Very easy chance to use ^B and get an extra point for yourself. Small range, however.  Threat Level: Varies between low and moderate, depending on the user.

Point Match recommendation: Luigi plays a very good point match. You're going to want to use his A combo and his running move A LOT to get percentage up, and try for something like an ^B or maybe a smash attack if you're lucky. >B might work well too. Rating: 9

Stock Match recommendation: For here, you're going to need to utilize >B to it's fullest. Learn how long it takes for Luigi to charge up fully, and use it for recovery almost always. Try and get their % up, but keep your distance! Luigi is light as a feather! Also, keep your air game up! Luigi's strong points are his aerials! They send people far, and do a good amount of %, too! Rating: 8

Coin Match recommendation: Again, keep your air game going! They'll knock a bill out almost alway! Just don't get over 100%, you'll go flying after that, and that isn't good for coin matches! Rating: 9

Personal Opinion after all that: Sorry if this is Biased, I used to play as Luigi quite frequently. Luigi, just like Mario, is all-around. Luigi is like a better form of Mario IMO. He can jump higher, run faster, and most of his attacks send people farther. The only problem with Luigi that I can see clearly is that his ground attacks aren't that great, and he's very light. If you're going to main Luigi, or you simply want to try him out for a bit, just remember. His aerial attacks are his strongest point! Keep people up in the air for as long as possible, then KO 'em with another aerial attack! I put Luigi over Mario, but if you want a truly unbiased opinion, Luigi and Mario are both forces not to be trifled with. Both are all-around characters who are just starting the game. That doesn't mean you can't get good with 'em and stick with 'em!

[Apollo]

most of the challenges are really easy
just alternate between different things