MK Banned? Now featuring: Arguements about competitive play.

[StarWindWizard7]

well, everyone I know doesn't spam or chaingrab to win. they ought to make a tier list for the people that play the game the right way.

Wtf is the "right way"
I'm confused.

I know...really.... X_X;;
If your character has a blatant advantage you use it! Why do you think everyone uses the Metal Blades at all times in Megaman 2!?

Uh hello, He's talking about no annoying spam, jab locks, chain grabs, etc 

That's what I was talking about. If Falco has a quick blaster than stuns, you spam it X_X;;

True but you wouldn't be fun to play with if you just used your blaster.  do you get what i'm saying.  you gotta try to be diversed in your moves and stop being so stale.  it makes the game more entertaining and less annoying and frustrating.  this is for friends though.  if this was a tournament blaster all you want. 

that's a matter of opinion and it really doesn't get stale for me because when you play someone good it doesn't matter.
Also, ***IN MY EXPERIENCE*** the only ppl who say stuff like that are people who suck at the game >:D

ooo good comeback.  i'm shaking.  you don't even need to be talented to spam.  spaming to win and calling yourself good makes you a fraud.  If I had wifi I'd beat u right now

you have to know how to spam correctly. A DDD who's poor at using his side B spam will get crushed by anyone with even half decent speed.

there isn't a wrong way to spam and planning when and where you'll do it makes you predictable

That's why it's annoying sometimes, they roll at you, roll and roll, till they have you.

(On a side not, it's just me, or tollhouse is acting evil?)

I blame this ^

Anyway- Spam to win.... If you can take a a false earned victory...  =|

I'm not trying to be evil.  I'm just trying to get across Tibar's view of playing fair.  Did my new avatar influence you?

See,

Scaaaary evil! D=

[DededeCloneChris]

I'm not trying to be evil.  I'm just trying to get across Tibar's view of playing fair.  Did my new avatar influence you?

70%.  :P

Anyway, this idea of banning MK just keep going and going until somebody finds a final judgment.

[tollhouse2006]

well, everyone I know doesn't spam or chaingrab to win. they ought to make a tier list for the people that play the game the right way.

Wtf is the "right way"
I'm confused.

I know...really.... X_X;;
If your character has a blatant advantage you use it! Why do you think everyone uses the Metal Blades at all times in Megaman 2!?

Uh hello, He's talking about no annoying spam, jab locks, chain grabs, etc 

That's what I was talking about. If Falco has a quick blaster than stuns, you spam it X_X;;

True but you wouldn't be fun to play with if you just used your blaster.  do you get what i'm saying.  you gotta try to be diversed in your moves and stop being so stale.  it makes the game more entertaining and less annoying and frustrating.  this is for friends though.  if this was a tournament blaster all you want. 

that's a matter of opinion and it really doesn't get stale for me because when you play someone good it doesn't matter.
Also, ***IN MY EXPERIENCE*** the only ppl who say stuff like that are people who suck at the game >:D

ooo good comeback.  i'm shaking.  you don't even need to be talented to spam.  spaming to win and calling yourself good makes you a fraud.  If I had wifi I'd beat u right now

you have to know how to spam correctly. A DDD who's poor at using his side B spam will get crushed by anyone with even half decent speed.

there isn't a wrong way to spam and planning when and where you'll do it makes you predictable

That's why it's annoying sometimes, they roll at you, roll and roll, till they have you.

(On a side not, it's just me, or tollhouse is acting evil?)

I blame this ^

Anyway- Spam to win.... If you can take a a false earned victory...  =|

I'm not trying to be evil.  I'm just trying to get across Tibar's view of playing fair.  Did my new avatar influence you?

See,

Scaaaary evil! D=

Haaaaahhhhhhhaaaaa :D :D :D  That cracked me up  I think it looks cool

[StarWindWizard7]

well, everyone I know doesn't spam or chaingrab to win. they ought to make a tier list for the people that play the game the right way.

Wtf is the "right way"
I'm confused.

I know...really.... X_X;;
If your character has a blatant advantage you use it! Why do you think everyone uses the Metal Blades at all times in Megaman 2!?

Uh hello, He's talking about no annoying spam, jab locks, chain grabs, etc 

That's what I was talking about. If Falco has a quick blaster than stuns, you spam it X_X;;

True but you wouldn't be fun to play with if you just used your blaster.  do you get what i'm saying.  you gotta try to be diversed in your moves and stop being so stale.  it makes the game more entertaining and less annoying and frustrating.  this is for friends though.  if this was a tournament blaster all you want. 

that's a matter of opinion and it really doesn't get stale for me because when you play someone good it doesn't matter.
Also, ***IN MY EXPERIENCE*** the only ppl who say stuff like that are people who suck at the game >:D

ooo good comeback.  i'm shaking.  you don't even need to be talented to spam.  spaming to win and calling yourself good makes you a fraud.  If I had wifi I'd beat u right now

you have to know how to spam correctly. A DDD who's poor at using his side B spam will get crushed by anyone with even half decent speed.

there isn't a wrong way to spam and planning when and where you'll do it makes you predictable

That's why it's annoying sometimes, they roll at you, roll and roll, till they have you.

(On a side not, it's just me, or tollhouse is acting evil?)

I blame this ^

Anyway- Spam to win.... If you can take a a false earned victory...  =|

I'm not trying to be evil.  I'm just trying to get across Tibar's view of playing fair.  Did my new avatar influence you?

See,

Scaaaary evil! D=

Haaaaahhhhhhhaaaaa :D :D :D  That cracked me up  I think it looks cool

It looks like an eviler version of Metaknight...  D=

[tollhouse2006]

Yeah, I found it on photobucket.

[HTA!]

If chain grabbing and strategic projectile spamming isn't playing the right way, we might as well all be noobs. D:

Its part of the game like it or not. Adapt or perish.

[tollhouse2006]

If chain grabbing and strategic projectile spamming isn't playing the right way, we might as well all be noobs. D:

Its part of the game like it or not. Adapt or perish.

I guess you're a noob then and also that stuff doesn't have to be part of the game. 

[HTA!]

k

[Dawei]

itt; Tibar and tollhouse both have no idea what they are talking about.

I'll be blunt: No one gives a SHIT about what you two think. We don't need some dumbass scrub opinion about how this game "should" be played. If we all wanted to be nice little pussnuggets, we would be intercourse ing play time with items on high using the wiimote. But no, we play this game to win. It can be a friendly match, sure, whatever. But it's still about winning. And any time it isn't about winning, doesn't matter AT ALL for this tier list, and anything related to high level smash. So please, if you want to try and argue anything at all about what you think, please don't be so darn retarded about it and use some real logic.

also get a intercourse ing router so we can all rape you online using our "cheap" tactics.
Finally, sorry for coming off harsh. It's just I'm sick of dumb stuff like this.

[Mutilator7]

itt; Tibar and tollhouse both have no idea what they are talking about.

I'll be blunt: No one gives a s*** about what you two think. We don't need some dumbass scrub opinion about how this game "should" be played. If we all wanted to be nice little pussnuggets, we would be f***ing play time with items on high using the wiimote. But no, we play this game to win. It can be a friendly match, sure, whatever. But it's still about winning. And any time it isn't about winning, doesn't matter AT ALL for this tier list, and anything related to high level smash. So please, if you want to try and argue anything at all about what you think, please don't be so dang retarded about it and use some real logic.

also get a f***ing router so we can all rape you online using our "cheap" tactics.
Finally, sorry for coming off harsh. It's just I'm sick of dumb stuff like this.

Scrub... yeah. Anyway, has there been a tourney yet that has banned mk?

[Dawei]

itt; Tibar and tollhouse both have no idea what they are talking about.

I'll be blunt: No one gives a s*** about what you two think. We don't need some dumbass scrub opinion about how this game "should" be played. If we all wanted to be nice little pussnuggets, we would be f***ing play time with items on high using the wiimote. But no, we play this game to win. It can be a friendly match, sure, whatever. But it's still about winning. And any time it isn't about winning, doesn't matter AT ALL for this tier list, and anything related to high level smash. So please, if you want to try and argue anything at all about what you think, please don't be so dang retarded about it and use some real logic.

also get a f***ing router so we can all rape you online using our "cheap" tactics.
Finally, sorry for coming off harsh. It's just I'm sick of dumb stuff like this.

Scrub... yeah. Anyway, has there been a tourney yet that has banned mk?

Texas has had a stream of tournaments with him banned, and then occasionally they have tourneys in other places with him banned, though they are usually smaller ones.

[tollhouse2006]

itt; Tibar and tollhouse both have no idea what they are talking about.

I'll be blunt: No one gives a SHIT about what you two think. We don't need some dumbass scrub opinion about how this game "should" be played. If we all wanted to be nice little pussnuggets, we would be intercourse ing play time with items on high using the wiimote. But no, we play this game to win. It can be a friendly match, sure, whatever. But it's still about winning. And any time it isn't about winning, doesn't matter AT ALL for this tier list, and anything related to high level smash. So please, if you want to try and argue anything at all about what you think, please don't be so darn retarded about it and use some real logic.

also get a intercourse ing router so we can all rape you online using our "cheap" tactics.
Finally, sorry for coming off harsh. It's just I'm sick of dumb stuff like this.

No harm taken.  I don't get offended that easily.  I will have a router soon hopefully.  And also all that crap I mentioned before was just to get Tibar's statement across, not mine.  I can put up with how anybody plays.  Just because I play differently doesn't mean I don't play to win.  And I plan to win.  I'll face you first.

[tibar21]

itt; Tibar and tollhouse both have no idea what they are talking about.

I'll be blunt: No one gives a s*** about what you two think. We don't need some dumbass scrub opinion about how this game "should" be played. If we all wanted to be nice little pussnuggets, we would be f***ing play time with items on high using the wiimote. But no, we play this game to win. It can be a friendly match, sure, whatever. But it's still about winning. And any time it isn't about winning, doesn't matter AT ALL for this tier list, and anything related to high level smash. So please, if you want to try and argue anything at all about what you think, please don't be so dang retarded about it and use some real logic.

also get a f***ing router so we can all rape you online using our "cheap" tactics.
Finally, sorry for coming off harsh. It's just I'm sick of dumb stuff like this.

if everyone here is always going to only have one opinion and shun anyone who thinks differently than I'll just go to a forum that has a place for people who know there's more to this game than spamming and chaingrabing.

I made a point on what I think and apparently I had no logic and was retarded. But I do have logic. Honestly, I'm pretty sure Sakurai didn't make this game just to see people become "professional" and use a small handful of characters and spam with them and call it fun. If he agreed with that concept there would've been no point in making a 35 roster. Sakurai obviously isn't a supporter of spamming, since he put tripping in the game to reduce it. Given the prievious evidence, this game isn't meant to have been played the way you guys play it.

"Oooh. look at me. I can use Falco's blaster for 10 minutes and then spam the C-stick to KO. I can spam the waddle dees with Dedede even better now. that makes me special." No thank you. People who are special or talented take a character and train brutally with them and don't give up and win the right way. Its possible.

Alright. Here's the bottom line. The only reason people want to ban Meta Knight from tournaments is because he has "remarkable spam potential," infinite cape, etc. If you play competively in tournaments then you spam and do the same kinds of things. So technically you're part of the problem. Therefore anyone who plays competively in tournaments doesn't have the right to complain about Meta Knight. Because of that he should not be banned.

BTW I play to win I'm very competive. But at the same time I have fun. There's nothing wrong or negative about that.

[Dawei]

if everyone here is always going to only have one opinion and shun anyone who thinks differently than I'll just go to a forum that has a place for people who know there's more to this game than spamming and chaingrabing.

On NSFCD, we pride ourselves on the fact that we accept multiple opinions. But we also heavily stress that we don't accept dumb and incorrect opinions. Yes, opinions can be incorrect, so you can't try and make a dumb point on it. We also enjoy something more than spamming and cging. We enjoy winning. Both of those can help with the winning part, so we do them. And if you don't want to do it just to play "fair" have fun getting your ass kicked over and over until you learn to do it yourself.

I made a point on what I think and apparently I had no logic and was retarded.

Yes, you had no logic and it was retarded

But I do have logic.

You should check your sources on that

Honestly, I'm pretty sure Sakurai didn't make this game just to see people become "professional" and use a small handful of characters and spam with them and call it fun. ... Sakurai obviously isn't a supporter of spamming, since he put tripping in the game to reduce it. Given the prievious evidence, this game isn't meant to have been played the way you guys play it.

If we were playing this game "how sakurai intended it", we would be playing time matches with all items on high on Big Blue. Do you play like that? If you answer yes, then that goes back to my point about how you aren't competitive, and you shouldn't even be in this argument. If you answered no, then you can't yell at us for "not playing how the game was made" and that blows that entire portion of your argument.

If he agreed with that concept there would've been no point in making a 35 roster.

The thing about that is almost no developer can predict and control the metagame (as of now, David Sirlin is the only exception). Sakurai had no idea he made mk so good, that he made falcon so bad, that he made so many dumb, useless, or absolutely genius things. None of that is in his mind. If he truly didn't want that stuff, and it was a very important thing for him, he would have fixed it up and not just let it go. Wavedashing and L-canceling were MEANT to be in Melee. Neither were accidents. Wavedashing was a fix for a glitch caused by airdodging into the ground, and l-canceling was programmed purposely.

"Oooh. look at me. I can use Falco's blaster for 10 minutes and then spam the C-stick to KO. I can spam the waddle dees with Dedede even better now. that makes me special." No thank you. People who are special or talented take a character and train brutally with them and don't give up and win the right way. Its possible.

People who are talented at smash do what they need to to win. That's how they win tournaments. If they need to spam to do it, by darn they'll do it. They don't have weak barriers that you are creating in your mind about how the game should be played. They will develop there strategy to the best they can, no matter what it takes, even if it's 90% spamming. Those people usually get their asses kicked by the people who know how to play the game good though, and don't spam because they have better options.

Alright. Here's the bottom line. The only reason people want to ban Meta Knight from tournaments is because he has "remarkable spam potential," infinite cape, etc.

That's not the reason at all, dumbpoop! D.I.C.K is banned from tourneys, so it doesn't affect anything, and spammers get raped in tournaments cause good players are smart and can punish it easy mode. I'm sorry you don't know how to shield, but good players do.

If you play competively in tournaments then you spam

Not all good players spam. Look at any vid of m2k on youtube, the best mk in the world. Can you honestly call that "spamming"?

and do the same kinds of things. So technically you're part of the problem.

There is no problem with cging. Get the intercourse  over it, you vagina-y.

Therefore anyone who plays competively in tournaments doesn't have the right to complain about Meta Knight. Because of that he should not be banned.

People have all the right in the world because he's darn good! When you have an advantage over every character in the game, it's a decent reason to get banned. Any reason you say is not part of it at all, so stop trying.

BTW I play to win I'm very competive. But at the same time I have fun. There's nothing wrong or negative about that.

You aren't playing to win if you aren't doing everything in your power to win. (See: Playing to win, a book by David Sirlin that you can read online for free. I suggest you read the entire intermediate section of the guide, starting with "Introducing . . . The scrub") And don't say you can't have fun spamming. As I went over earlier in the guide, winning is fun. Raping your opponent is fun. Last I checked, losing is usually less fun that winning.

[HTA!]

You know, I'm sure most pro's play more creatively than you guys do.
Hell, I probably do.

Priding yourself on being different from someone else is kind of an awkward statement. No one spams all the time, and I'm sure no one has ever not spammed. For Example:
With Diddy, I mildly spam and strategically use bananas to my advantage.
With Ness, I focus on the air and rarely use PK Fire, a commonly spammed move.

It depends on the situation, and if spamming a projectile or move will benefit you in the match, hell if ANY tactic witll benefit you, it doesn't make sense not to use them to the best of your ability.

~

And if pros caused the problem of MK's ban coming into question, at least they tried to do something about it.
(Then again... if this effects pros and not us anyway, whats the fuss?)
With the ban optional, it will still be necessary to either pick up MK or plot to defeat him.

Its not like people are going to stop playing because they have to fight MK every once in a while (well... more often than that D:)

Just look at NinjaLink and Azen.
They play pretty darn good with a variety of characters (NL focusing on Diddy, and Azen focusing on Lucario to the best of my knowledge)
So its not like MK has invaded every reach of smash play. Just chill out and realize there is no way you can judge how others play. D: