MadWorld Reviews In

[Macawmoses]

You're exactly right. What they need to do is promote games like MadWorld heavily, appealing to the core group that stood by the Gamecube, and draw users from other systems.

For those casuals, sure, throw out some more games like Wii Sports Resort to keep baiting them in. Even hardcore gamers like them, but make them quality. Stop allowing M&M Licenses and the like, and get quality casual titles. See: Brain Age, Art Style

From there, make the ultimate titles like Brawl have components for everyone. Offer a solid online experience (not p2p nonsense), have an easy to understand control set with advanced moves, and market these on all levels. Use your celebrity endorsements on these titles, opposed to Nintendogs. These are the titles you offer incentives for; stylus sets, skins, promotional artwork, etc.

If they can do that, they are good as gold. Instead, they hardly back titles like the Conduit and MadWorld, and just push out more shovelware.

[Nayrman]

Nintendo doesn't care for FPS's, they're Japanese after all. Why do you think they gave Metroid to an American studio?
As far as the 3rd party stuff, that needs to hit Rock Bottom before Nintendo will do anything. The atari situation needs to happen again before Nintendo will get their asses in gear and start restricting their licenses like they (sorta) did on the NES/SNES. But then again, they pretty much abandoned that after the N64, so I don't know how much that'll do. But the 3rd party issue needs to be addressed NOW. Nintendo and SEGA can't hold down the fort by themselves, and the never ending string of terrible third party junk isn't helping.
As far as online goes, it's the same situation with the 3rd parties. It's going to get a LOT worse before it gets better. Right now, Nintendo has no incentive to make a good online. That change needs to come from the casuals, as they've shown time and again OUR online concerns mean absolutely nothing to them (or else the basic idea of FC's would've been long gone by now). Basically, they're going to get so far behind that they really have no choice other than to make a semi-competent online service just so they don't get laughed out of the entire online community with no hope of ever recovering.
As you said, casual games are fine, as long as they're QUALITY. That's what Nintendo needs to stress above all else right now. Sure, the people on the Today Show and the View may not know any better, but what they don't realize is that the small group of core gamers left are losing patience and willingness to stick with them. Most core gamers I know who have Wii's only got it for the next installments of Mario, Zelda, and Smash (oh, and NMH). If more of these casual titles were quality and gave a reason to play, there is untapped potential there as well (again, another opportunity Nintendo is missing because Iwata couldn't give a crap). In that way the reverse idea is true (making "core" gamers a tiny bit more casual in that regard).
It'll be interesting to see what Nintendo does in the next three years or so, at least in terms of hardware. I mean really, let's face it. The DS (in general) is in the last 2-3 years of it's life cycle and the Wii technologically just doesn't have what it takes to keep up in the long run, thus I expect the Wii's successor to be announced within 3 years, at least somewhat vaguely in any real regards.

[Tupin]

Well, on the rare occasion that Japanese developers make an FPS/third person shooter, they make them really campy and lighthearted, and almost parodic. Onslaught and Earth Defense Force 2017 are examples.

Nintendo is living on a fanbase that will leave them just as quickly as they came to them. The thing is with products like Wii is that they don't have very long lifespans. Since its such old technology primarily marketed to a demographic that loves the newest and best looking things, it will need a replacement within a few years.

[Nayrman]

Well, on the rare occasion that Japanese developers make an FPS/third person shooter, they make them really campy and lighthearted, and almost parodic. Onslaught and Earth Defense Force 2017 are examples.

Nintendo is living on a fanbase that will leave them just as quickly as they came to them. The thing is with products like Wii is that they don't have very long lifespans. Since its such old technology primarily marketed to a demographic that loves the newest and best looking things, it will need a replacement within a few years.

That second paragraph is exactly my point X_X;;
The Japanese (minus Konami) are incredibly light hearted at the moment, for some odd reason...but whatever. *going to sleep, hope to see some more good posts when I get back on tomorrow*

[Tupin]

Well, on the rare occasion that Japanese developers make an FPS/third person shooter, they make them really campy and lighthearted, and almost parodic. Onslaught and Earth Defense Force 2017 are examples.

Nintendo is living on a fanbase that will leave them just as quickly as they came to them. The thing is with products like Wii is that they don't have very long lifespans. Since its such old technology primarily marketed to a demographic that loves the newest and best looking things, it will need a replacement within a few years.

That second paragraph is exactly my point X_X;;
The Japanese (minus Konami) are incredibly light hearted at the moment, for some odd reason...but whatever. *going to sleep, hope to see some more good posts when I get back on tomorrow*

Even they have Parodius.

[Macawmoses]

Weeeeeeee.

Thing is, no matter how light hearted one is, Nintendo is still a business. Sure, the Japanese make up a decent base, but what about the US, Canada, Mexico, and good chunks of Europe that love those games (sans Germany, of course)? Really, Nintendo won't have a choice but to support the creation and release of these games in the future, as the fan base will come to demand it.

Of course, they aren't completely dumb:

'Wii appeals to a wide range of audiences from children and teenagers to adult and senior citizens, anyone from 5 - 95, as such there is a wide range of content for all ages and tastes available.

'Mad World will be suitably age rated through the appropriate legal channels and thus only available to an audience above the age rating it is given'

'The game is not made by Nintendo but by Sega.'

[Nayrman]

Weeeeeeee.

Thing is, no matter how light hearted one is, Nintendo is still a business. Sure, the Japanese make up a decent base, but what about the US, Canada, Mexico, and good chunks of Europe that love those games (sans Germany, of course)? Really, Nintendo won't have a choice but to support the creation and release of these games in the future, as the fan base will come to demand it.

Of course, they aren't completely dumb:

'Wii appeals to a wide range of audiences from children and teenagers to adult and senior citizens, anyone from 5 - 95, as such there is a wide range of content for all ages and tastes available.

'Mad World will be suitably age rated through the appropriate legal channels and thus only available to an audience above the age rating it is given'

'The game is not made by Nintendo but by Sega.'

We both know that if it were up to Nintendo this game along with No More Heroes would never see the light of day X_X;;
Appeal to teenagers by ass, Nintendo appealing to teens is like an oxymoron at this point or something...

[Macawmoses]

You can't argue with that statement, though. While I'm sure Nintendo would rather not have MadWorld, it's free promotion for the Wii. They have little to do but sit back and relax, and all the controversy around MadWorld will do is promote the Wii as a "for everyone" system. They didn't need a statement, as angry gamers (such as ourselves) will make the point ourselves, albeit in different terms. Honestly, it's a marketing strategy.

[Nayrman]

You can't argue with that statement, though. While I'm sure Nintendo would rather not have MadWorld, it's free promotion for the Wii. They have little to do but sit back and relax, and all the controversy around MadWorld will do is promote the Wii as a "for everyone" system. They didn't need a statement, as angry gamers (such as ourselves) will make the point ourselves, albeit in different terms. Honestly, it's a marketing strategy.

The thing is, there won't be any controversy over MadWorld because parent's won't bother looking at it because they'll be too busy looking at the 3rd party minigame shovelware. No More Heroes didn't get that much attention in the mainstream because parents frankly didn't notice it. Manhunt 2 only got news because of it's AO rating and FAUX News lambasting it without even looking up what the game was about or how it played...

[Macawmoses]

Obviously you haven't been paying attention to the fuss in Europe. Virtually every news station over there has covered it - leading to it not being allowed in Germany. There is a lot of controversy over it already, all thanks to the media.

[Nayrman]

Obviously you haven't been paying attention to the fuss in Europe. Virtually every news station over there has covered it - leading to it not being allowed in Germany. There is a lot of controversy over it already, all thanks to the media.

Then America is just thick X_X;;
What kind of things are they saying? Usual "blah blah blah violence makes people serial killers despite no proof of this has ever occurred blah blah blah..."
I know this is bad of me, but the irony that Germany of all countries banning something like that X_X;; (especially with their infamous "learn english" commercial)

[Tupin]

Germany has banned so many forms of entertainment, video games are a major part because of all the games with Nazis in them.

Even their rating system is excessive, the rating takes up pretty much all of the box. Still not as bad as Greece. They actually accidentally banned all electronic games, and the law didn't get overturned for a year. It was just supposed to ban electronic gambling.

[Macawmoses]

Obviously you haven't been paying attention to the fuss in Europe. Virtually every news station over there has covered it - leading to it not being allowed in Germany. There is a lot of controversy over it already, all thanks to the media.

Then America is just thick X_X;;
What kind of things are they saying? Usual "blah blah blah violence makes people serial killers despite no proof of this has ever occurred blah blah blah..."
I know this is bad of me, but the irony that Germany of all countries banning something like that X_X;; (especially with their infamous "learn english" commercial)

Paraphrased:

"The Wii is family friendly. By allowing MW on it, it breaks the trust of families..."
"Most violent game of all time on the most accessible system of all time. That's not right."
"Allowing children to play violent video games is comparable to x, y, and z."

It's really sparked a lot of debate on rating systems, etc. That address from Nintendo (I posted above) is actually response to some of these things.

[Nayrman]

Obviously you haven't been paying attention to the fuss in Europe. Virtually every news station over there has covered it - leading to it not being allowed in Germany. There is a lot of controversy over it already, all thanks to the media.

Then America is just thick X_X;;
What kind of things are they saying? Usual "blah blah blah violence makes people serial killers despite no proof of this has ever occurred blah blah blah..."
I know this is bad of me, but the irony that Germany of all countries banning something like that X_X;; (especially with their infamous "learn english" commercial)

Paraphrased:

"The Wii is family friendly. By allowing MW on it, it breaks the trust of families..."
"Most violent game of all time on the most accessible system of all time. That's not right."
"Allowing children to play violent video games is comparable to x, y, and z."

It's really sparked a lot of debate on rating systems, etc. That address from Nintendo (I posted above) is actually response to some of these things.

I know that was a Nintendo response to the violence stuff, but now I see where it was coming from.
My responses:
Quote 1: Not everything HAS to be family friendly. People who want that sort of thing should be allowed to have it. Parents should get off their lazy asses and actually look at the game before they buy it.
Quote 2: Most violent game of all time? Ha. Please. Someone's never been on Newgrounds or played any non-cel shaded M game...; Also, see above response
Quote 3: Who would be allowing the kids to play the M rated game again? Oh right, the PARENTS. They don't seem to be complaining about movie studios "allowing" kids to see R rated movies.
God I hate these strawmen arguments and placing the blame on others. *rolls eyes* Man people are stupid nowadays...or the parents have become lazy beyond all belief...probably both X_X;;

[Macawmoses]

It's a mix of stupid and lazy, yes. And all this, Nintendo is getting advertising. People like me see Nintendo as finally standing up for the hardcore gamer - even in the sick way they are doing it. Promotion wise, it's brilliant. The little kids will still beg their parents for Wii games, the morons with too much money to spend will still spend it, and now, those gamers that will adore MW will stick with the Big N just a tad longer, possibly all they need to make some kind of announcement that will keep them.