New clones wanted?

[JrDude]

Clone is the name of when a character either uses a move with the same name or does the same thing. Since Fox, Falco, AND Wolf all use a laser gun, it is a cloned move, all 3 have reflectors, so it's a cloned move. Since Fox and Falco both create some "illusion" thing on their side B, it is a cloned move, but Wolf's side B is different but based on the same thing, so people call it a cloned move as well. Same with the up B, Fox and Falco become flaming and go up, so it IS a cloned move, and Wolf's up B goes up in a similar matter, so it is considered a cloned move as well.
Ness and Lucas' both use PK Fire, PK Thunder, and the PSI shield or whatever, different effects, but the same attack, so it is a cloned move. PK Flash and PK Freeze both work in the same matter, they come out of the head and slowly move away, so it is considered a cloned move.

Echo is probably annoyed with Dr. Mario because he IS Mario. Dr. Mario is in fact different in his terms, but you can't change the "Mario" in him. But that's just what I think he thinks, I could be wrong.

After reading Echo's posts, it made me feel less annoyed by "clones." But I would still like them to go away.

[Captain Justice]

I'm not really annoyed by Doc, because really its just an extra character that we wouldn't have had if he was made into an alt. costume. I'm just saying he is the closest thing to a true clone.

[Depster]

I prefer doc.  But really, I think all clones are different enough in brawl.  They are all luigified pretty heavily and even if the specials are the same, they work incredibly differently in most cases.  Don't forget that the smashes are all way different, too.

[Neerb]

True; in Melee they were almost literally clones, but at least in Brawl most of their A moves are different.

[FruitFlow]

Do characters with the same stage entrance count?

[JrDude]

As clones..?
Yes they count, Pikachu, Purin, Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard are all clones.

[FruitFlow]

Some say Charizard is supposed to be a Bowser 2.0.
Minus the flying.

I don't even understand why people back then assumed ZSS was a Sheik clone.

[The Riddler]

As clones..?
Yes they count, Pikachu, Purin, Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard are all clones.

What?
The definition is really intercourse ed up then.

Clones,:
SSB:
Mario - Luigi

SSBM:
Mario - Dr. Mario - Luigi (Begin Luigification)
Link - Young Link
Pikachu - Pichu
Captain Falcon - Ganondorf
Fox - Falco
Roy - Marth

SSBB:
Link - Toon Link
Captain Falcon - Ganondorf
Fox - Falco - Wolf
Ness - Lucas

In SSBB, Luigi is different enough to not be considered a clone anymore.

[Nayrman]

He's making fun of the idea that same entrances mean they're clones. Someone didn't read the post X_X

[JrDude]

What?
The definition is really intercourse ed up then.

Yes indeed it is.

In SSBB, Luigi is different enough to not be considered a clone anymore.

Wrong, he is just Super-Luigified clone.

[Neerb]

I'd say Luigi is no longer a clone, considering the only thing he has in common with Mario is 2 Specials.

[Captain Justice]

I'd say Luigi is no longer a clone, considering the only thing he has in common with Mario is 2 Specials.

and yet Wolf has only one special in commin with Fox, yet he is a clone?

[Neerb]

and yet Wolf has only one special in commin with Fox, yet he is a clone?

Wolf has 4 out of 4 specials in common with Fox, plus a Final Smash.

[JrDude]

Wolf has 4 out of 4 specials in common with Fox, plus a Final Smash.

Actually not really, Wolf's just goes up then kicks while Fox is flaming with no kick. And his side B makes him go up and to the side, Fox's makes blue Fox's appear and makes him go quickly to the right. You people just consider it cloned moves, but if any other character that isn't Star Fox related had it, you wouldn't notice the similarity.

And with Luigi, his Down B is still based off Mario's original Down B which is now his D Air, so I still consider him somewhat a clone.

[Neerb]

Actually not really, Wolf's just goes up then kicks while Fox is flaming with no kick. And his side B makes him go up and to the side, Fox's makes blue Fox's appear and makes him go quickly to the right. You people just consider it cloned moves, but if any other character that isn't Star Fox related had it, you wouldn't notice the similarity.

And with Luigi, his Down B is still based off Mario's original Down B which is now his D Air, so I still consider him somewhat a clone.

Like Ganondorf isn't a Captain Falcon clone because Captain Falcon has fire and Ganondorf has purple magic?  Wolf=Fox clone.

As for Luigi, I don't consider his Down B to be cloned off of Mario because I look at the current game, not the old ones, and in the current game Mario doesn't have a spinning attack as a special.