On TV, I just saw a brawl commercial.
Thing is, it was a fricken "Wii would like to play" commercial. :|
I thought this game was special enough to get away from that crap.
Nintendo as a company is starting to = fail
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:23:53 PM
Nintendo as a company is starting to = fail
you were expecting anything different?
nintendo always does this poop when they're on top. it's to be expected.
what channel was it on? network, not number
and it may be stupid, but a lot of peole like the "wii would like to play" commercials. hey, out least it has a commercial.
Quote from: Jono2 on February 23, 2008, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:23:53 PM
Nintendo as a company is starting to = fail
you were expecting anything different?
nintendo always does this s*** when they're on top. it's to be expected.
Game wise they are doing very well...
Marketing, online, etc....
SUCKS
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:33:13 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 23, 2008, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:23:53 PM
Nintendo as a company is starting to = fail
you were expecting anything different?
nintendo always does this s*** when they're on top. it's to be expected.
Game wise they are doing very well...
Marketing, online, etc....
SUCKS
nintendo never seems to market very much i mean is saw 1 SMG commercial in about a week
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:33:13 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 23, 2008, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:23:53 PM
Nintendo as a company is starting to = fail
you were expecting anything different?
nintendo always does this s*** when they're on top. it's to be expected.
Game wise they are doing very well...
Marketing, online, etc....
SUCKS
no, they aren't doing well. look at how lazily they made brawl.
that's what I'm talking about.
Quote from: Jono2 on February 23, 2008, 08:44:40 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:33:13 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 23, 2008, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:23:53 PM
Nintendo as a company is starting to = fail
you were expecting anything different?
nintendo always does this s*** when they're on top. it's to be expected.
Game wise they are doing very well...
Marketing, online, etc....
SUCKS
no, they aren't doing well. look at how lazily they made brawl.
that's what I'm talking about.
We really cant blame Nintendo for Brawl...
The roster... is the only thing i can complain about and in reality its not all that bad...
Meh.
Anybody not expecting a Wii Would Like To Play commercial, is a jackass.
I hate those commercials because they have no originality at all.
Commercials are supposed to make people who wouldn't buy the product buy it, which is helped by originality.
They just insert a game for every commercial.
Quote from: Joeofmars on February 23, 2008, 08:53:27 PM
Anybody not expecting a Wii Would Like To Play commercial, is a jackass.
Epic win.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 23, 2008, 09:11:03 PM
I hate those commercials because they have no originality at all.
Commercials are supposed to make people who wouldn't buy the product buy it, which is helped by originality.
They just insert a game for every commercial.
At least I like the music. ;)
Quote from: wiiboychris on February 23, 2008, 09:15:19 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 23, 2008, 09:11:03 PM
I hate those commercials because they have no originality at all.
Commercials are supposed to make people who wouldn't buy the product buy it, which is helped by originality.
They just insert a game for every commercial.
At least I like the music. ;)
I want a Smart Fortwo.
I like those, they're quite humorous.
I like their older slogans.
All of them are better than this recent crap!
my favorite is......
Nintendo; NOW your playing with power! [SUPER POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
Quote from: WorldDominator75 on February 23, 2008, 09:30:59 PM
I like their older slogans.
All of them are better than this recent crap!
my favorite is......
Nintendo; NOW your playing with power! [SUPER POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
Even, their "Who are you?" campaign was better.
But still the solo commercials were the best.
Games with great commercials include Pikmin 1 and 2, Animal Crossing, Super Mario Sunshine, Kirby, and Windwaker.
what network channel was the commercial on?
Nintendo never makes any good commercials, BESIDES the origional Smash's commerical.
I'm sure it was a fluke that one
Quote from: Triforceman22 on February 23, 2008, 08:21:18 PM
On TV, I just saw a brawl commercial.
Thing is, it was a fricken "Wii would like to play" commercial. :|
I thought this game was special enough to get away from that crap.
Thats Nintendo's Strategy to lure in the "Non Gamers" or Casual Gamers
some would say.
This
IS Nintendo's goal ya know.
Quote from: Nayrman on February 23, 2008, 09:41:39 PM
Nintendo never makes any good commercials, BESIDES the origional Smash's commerical.
I'm sure it was a fluke that one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1M7kJASyoQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1M7kJASyoQ)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WPteMFkI2k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WPteMFkI2k)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1UgKOf7CvU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1UgKOf7CvU&feature=related)
All of them are either so bad they are good, or pure awesomeness.
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:50:40 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 23, 2008, 08:44:40 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:33:13 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 23, 2008, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:23:53 PM
Nintendo as a company is starting to = fail
you were expecting anything different?
nintendo always does this s*** when they're on top. it's to be expected.
Game wise they are doing very well...
Marketing, online, etc....
SUCKS
no, they aren't doing well. look at how lazily they made brawl.
that's what I'm talking about.
We really cant blame Nintendo for Brawl...
The roster... is the only thing i can complain about and in reality its not all that bad...
Meh.
the roster? no.
I'm talking about how they put more effort into stickers, music & trophies than characters and stages.
about how they left out all of the N64 stages.
about how they gave Metroid & F-Zero the shaft.
about how SSE was made to be a huge epic story, yet it only lasted what... 4 hours?
about how the online is basically the worst to ever exist, barred only by other Wii titles.
about how you can't put music in the game, even though you could do this with excite truck for god's sake.
about how you can't share pictures
about how you can't play online in created stages.
about how Wario is the only character with a different skin.
should I go on?
so what if it's a crappy commercial? it doesn't ruin the game.
Quote from: Jono2 on February 23, 2008, 09:54:49 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:50:40 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 23, 2008, 08:44:40 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:33:13 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 23, 2008, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:23:53 PM
Nintendo as a company is starting to = fail
you were expecting anything different?
nintendo always does this s*** when they're on top. it's to be expected.
Game wise they are doing very well...
Marketing, online, etc....
SUCKS
no, they aren't doing well. look at how lazily they made brawl.
that's what I'm talking about.
We really cant blame Nintendo for Brawl...
The roster... is the only thing i can complain about and in reality its not all that bad...
Meh.
the roster? no.
I'm talking about how they put more effort into stickers, music & trophies than characters and stages.
about how they left out all of the N64 stages.
about how they gave Metroid & F-Zero the shaft.
about how SSE was made to be a huge epic story, yet it only lasted what... 4 hours?
about how the online is basically the worst to ever exist, barred only by other Wii titles.
about how you can't put music in the game, even though you could do this with excite truck for god's sake.
about how you can't share pictures
about how you can't play online in created stages.
about how Wario is the only character with a different skin.
should I go on?
be possitive:
you can play online
it has a great roster
the stages are great not to mention stage builder
u can play co-op in the epic SSE
there's like 380 trophies, not to mention stickers
the music is awesome
it still has classic and all-star
it'll outsell halo cuz it's so freakin' good!
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
so what if it's a crappy commercial? it doesn't ruin the game.Quote from: Jono2 on February 23, 2008, 09:54:49 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:50:40 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 23, 2008, 08:44:40 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:33:13 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 23, 2008, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on February 23, 2008, 08:23:53 PM
Nintendo as a company is starting to = fail
you were expecting anything different?
nintendo always does this s*** when they're on top. it's to be expected.
Game wise they are doing very well...
Marketing, online, etc....
SUCKS
no, they aren't doing well. look at how lazily they made brawl.
that's what I'm talking about.
We really cant blame Nintendo for Brawl...
The roster... is the only thing i can complain about and in reality its not all that bad...
Meh.
the roster? no.
I'm talking about how they put more effort into stickers, music & trophies than characters and stages.
about how they left out all of the N64 stages.
about how they gave Metroid & F-Zero the shaft.
about how SSE was made to be a huge epic story, yet it only lasted what... 4 hours?
about how the online is basically the worst to ever exist, barred only by other Wii titles.
about how you can't put music in the game, even though you could do this with excite truck for god's sake.
about how you can't share pictures
about how you can't play online in created stages.
about how Wario is the only character with a different skin.
should I go on?
be possitive:
you can play online
it has a great roster
the stages are great not to mention stage builder
u can play co-op in the epic SSE
there's like 380 trophies, not to mention stickers
the music is awesome
it still has classic and all-star
it'll outsell halo cuz it's so freakin' good!
No...the con's really do outweight the pro's in many regards.
Seriosly, it's still going to be a great game, but so many opportunities to get it right, when so much did actually go wrong.
Seriosuly, I'm happy we even have online, but Nintendo really needs to get it's act together in terms of well, ANYTHING in terms of multiplayer. They claim they want to bring gamers and non-gamers together, when in reality they're just insulting all the hardcore gamers out there....
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
be positive:
you can play online
I won't though, for the most part. it's more fun to play with my brother in stock matches than with 3 other random people who may kick my ass completely or be destroyed by me, because since there is no ranking system whatsoever, there is no way to consistently play people at your skill level. see how that screwed it over? Online shouldn't be a selling point for this game. it's a worthless feature in the way that they put it in the game.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
it has a great roster
no it doesn't. List of characters I'd prefer not to be in:
Wario (OMGLOL HE FARTS :|)
Lucario (Mewtwo was more badass, and was already being put in the game if they hadn't taken him out)
Olimar (just don't like the series that much)
Also, Fox Falco & Wolf all share the same final smash, and fox & falco are basically the same character (wolf is completely different though, but he still shouldn't have been put in the game over others)
Toon Link has nearly identical moves to Link, share identical final smashes.
Lucas & Ness are basically the same, and share final smashes. However, they're both worthless and incredibly easy to dodge.
Ganondorf is still the same character as captain falcon, which didn't make any sense whatsoever in the first place.
Mario got the worthless FLUDD instead of his previously awesome down & B, while Luigi stayed the same.
no nana & popo switching.
ROB. need I say more?
Also, a lack of another metroid representative where one was deserved.
Also, they could have put in black shadow and given him ganondorf's moveset, freeing up ganondorf for a moveset that actually MAKES SENSE.
Also, Fire Emblem got the shaft as well.
Also, lack of a further third party representative where they could have easily put one.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
the stages are great
yep, but no N64 stages, and Corneria is frickin tiny now. :|
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
not to mention stage builder
and only four (or was it three?) unlockable pieces that really aren't that great, along with there being crappy backgrounds & the piece sets being uninventive.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
u can play co-op in the SSE
fixed.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
there's like 380 trophies, not to mention stickers
which is part of my argument for why they were so lazy. why put so much effort into those things when you could put it into, let's say, bonuses, a part of the previous game that I adored.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
the music is awesome
yes, but no importing of music, something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
it still has classic and all-star
thankfully, but to be expected.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
it'll outsell halo cuz it's so freakin' good!
outsell =/= better game.
Also, are you making bets on that?
Yeah, it'll outsell Halo
no, it won't outsell halo 3.
This game will rock, but they did make some bad decisions.
Like adding more stickers/trophies than characters.
Sakurai said he just didn't want to add more stages and characters because it just would be fluff.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 23, 2008, 10:13:45 PM
This game will rock, but they did make some bad decisions.
Like adding more stickers/trophies than characters.
Sakurai said he just didn't want to add more stages and characters because it just would be fluff.
Stages and characters are the main point of the game.
And I agree with the breakdown of the list.
They should make Brawl, and then the smash bros. game american wants....
seriosuly, I don't think they've ever taken into consideration anything we wanted while making this game X_X;;
Quote from: Nayrman on February 23, 2008, 10:17:12 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 23, 2008, 10:13:45 PM
This game will rock, but they did make some bad decisions.
Like adding more stickers/trophies than characters.
Sakurai said he just didn't want to add more stages and characters because it just would be fluff.
Stages and characters are the main point of the game.
And I agree with the breakdown of the list.
They should make Brawl, and then the smash bros. game american wants....
seriosuly, I don't think they've ever taken into consideration anything we wanted while making this game X_X;;
They're nintendo.
they don't care about america.
they care even less about europe.
Quote from: Nayrman on February 23, 2008, 10:17:12 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 23, 2008, 10:13:45 PM
This game will rock, but they did make some bad decisions.
Like adding more stickers/trophies than characters.
Sakurai said he just didn't want to add more stages and characters because it just would be fluff.
Stages and characters are the main point of the game.
And I agree with the breakdown of the list.
They should make Brawl, and then the smash bros. game american wants....
seriosuly, I don't think they've ever taken into consideration anything we wanted while making this game X_X;;
Considering that this game is a Nintendo/SEGA/Konami's fan dream, that's pretty bad.
But if HE couldn't think of a moveset, HE didn't put the character in the game.
Quote from: Jono2 on February 23, 2008, 10:13:32 PM
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
be positive:
you can play online
I won't though, for the most part. it's more fun to play with my brother in stock matches than with 3 other random people who may kick my ass completely or be destroyed by me, because since there is no ranking system whatsoever, there is no way to consistently play people at your skill level. see how that screwed it over? Online shouldn't be a selling point for this game. it's a worthless feature in the way that they put it in the game.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
it has a great roster
no it doesn't. List of characters I'd prefer not to be in:
Wario (OMGLOL HE FARTS :|)
Lucario (Mewtwo was more badass, and was already being put in the game if they hadn't taken him out)
Olimar (just don't like the series that much)
Also, Fox Falco & Wolf all share the same final smash, and fox & falco are basically the same character (wolf is completely different though, but he still shouldn't have been put in the game over others)
Toon Link has nearly identical moves to Link, share identical final smashes.
Lucas & Ness are basically the same, and share final smashes. However, they're both worthless and incredibly easy to dodge.
Ganondorf is still the same character as captain falcon, which didn't make any sense whatsoever in the first place.
Mario got the worthless FLUDD instead of his previously awesome down & B, while Luigi stayed the same.
no nana & popo switching.
ROB. need I say more?
Also, a lack of another metroid representative where one was deserved.
Also, they could have put in black shadow and given him ganondorf's moveset, freeing up ganondorf for a moveset that actually MAKES SENSE.
Also, Fire Emblem got the shaft as well.
Also, lack of a further third party representative where they could have easily put one.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
the stages are great
yep, but no N64 stages, and Corneria is frickin tiny now. :|
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
not to mention stage builder
and only four (or was it three?) unlockable pieces that really aren't that great, along with there being crappy backgrounds & the piece sets being uninventive.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
u can play co-op in the SSE
fixed.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
there's like 380 trophies, not to mention stickers
which is part of my argument for why they were so lazy. why put so much effort into those things when you could put it into, let's say, bonuses, a part of the previous game that I adored.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
the music is awesome
yes, but no importing of music, something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
it still has classic and all-star
thankfully, but to be expected.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
it'll outsell halo cuz it's so freakin' good!
outsell =/= better game.
Also, are you making bets on that?
Yeah, it'll outsell Halo
no, it won't outsell halo 3.
you just basically slapped everyone that helped made brawl in the face with those harsh complaints. i disagree with you completely.
Quote from: Jono2 on February 23, 2008, 10:19:19 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on February 23, 2008, 10:17:12 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 23, 2008, 10:13:45 PM
This game will rock, but they did make some bad decisions.
Like adding more stickers/trophies than characters.
Sakurai said he just didn't want to add more stages and characters because it just would be fluff.
Stages and characters are the main point of the game.
And I agree with the breakdown of the list.
They should make Brawl, and then the smash bros. game american wants....
seriosuly, I don't think they've ever taken into consideration anything we wanted while making this game X_X;;
They're nintendo.
they don't care about america.
they care even less about europe.
no one but Ubisoft cares about Europe (and tha'ts just cuz they're french).
I can't recall one time Nintendo has ever took America into consideration into making a game.
It's starting to irk me, and it idefinatle shows in this game...
Besides, a ranking system wouldn't be THAT bad would it? I mean, you could always do "ranked" and "unranked" matches. PROBLEM SOLVED!
Seriosuly, I oculd fix all the games problems and I can barely use my paint program X_X;;
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:21:54 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 23, 2008, 10:13:32 PM
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
be positive:
you can play online
I won't though, for the most part. it's more fun to play with my brother in stock matches than with 3 other random people who may kick my ass completely or be destroyed by me, because since there is no ranking system whatsoever, there is no way to consistently play people at your skill level. see how that screwed it over? Online shouldn't be a selling point for this game. it's a worthless feature in the way that they put it in the game.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
it has a great roster
no it doesn't. List of characters I'd prefer not to be in:
Wario (OMGLOL HE FARTS :|)
Lucario (Mewtwo was more badass, and was already being put in the game if they hadn't taken him out)
Olimar (just don't like the series that much)
Also, Fox Falco & Wolf all share the same final smash, and fox & falco are basically the same character (wolf is completely different though, but he still shouldn't have been put in the game over others)
Toon Link has nearly identical moves to Link, share identical final smashes.
Lucas & Ness are basically the same, and share final smashes. However, they're both worthless and incredibly easy to dodge.
Ganondorf is still the same character as captain falcon, which didn't make any sense whatsoever in the first place.
Mario got the worthless FLUDD instead of his previously awesome down & B, while Luigi stayed the same.
no nana & popo switching.
ROB. need I say more?
Also, a lack of another metroid representative where one was deserved.
Also, they could have put in black shadow and given him ganondorf's moveset, freeing up ganondorf for a moveset that actually MAKES SENSE.
Also, Fire Emblem got the shaft as well.
Also, lack of a further third party representative where they could have easily put one.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
the stages are great
yep, but no N64 stages, and Corneria is frickin tiny now. :|
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
not to mention stage builder
and only four (or was it three?) unlockable pieces that really aren't that great, along with there being crappy backgrounds & the piece sets being uninventive.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
u can play co-op in the SSE
fixed.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
there's like 380 trophies, not to mention stickers
which is part of my argument for why they were so lazy. why put so much effort into those things when you could put it into, let's say, bonuses, a part of the previous game that I adored.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
the music is awesome
yes, but no importing of music, something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
it still has classic and all-star
thankfully, but to be expected.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
it'll outsell halo cuz it's so freakin' good!
outsell =/= better game.
Also, are you making bets on that?
Yeah, it'll outsell Halo
no, it won't outsell halo 3.
you just basically slapped everyone that helped made brawl in the face with those harsh complaints. i disagree with you completely.
then give me some counter-arguments to prove me wrong.
they deserve a slap in the face. they were lazy while making this game, and it really, really shows. If one can't see that, they're a complete sheep.
Tibar, they made some bad choices in terms of characters and stages.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 23, 2008, 10:24:19 PM
Tibar, they made some bad choices in terms of characters and stages.
stage are fine...only a minor complaint here and there (Elektroplankton I don't get, and frankly some N64 would be nice, but not necessary).
Roster is a failure in many regards, and lack of spread of representation is horrible.
It soars in mutliplayer fun, and a good 1 player, but online fails miserably in many areas...compared to Xbox and PS3. comapred to Nintendo, its a godsend.
Quote from: Nayrman on February 23, 2008, 10:26:47 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 23, 2008, 10:24:19 PM
Tibar, they made some bad choices in terms of characters and stages.
stage are fine...only a minor complaint here and there (Elektroplankton I don't get, and frankly some N64 would be nice, but not necessary).
Roster is a failure in many regards, and lack of spread of representation is horrible.
It soars in mutliplayer fun, and a good 1 player, but online fails miserably in many areas...compared to Xbox and PS3. comapred to Nintendo, its a godsend.
Still, Kirby deserves 3 reps.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 23, 2008, 10:29:21 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on February 23, 2008, 10:26:47 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 23, 2008, 10:24:19 PM
Tibar, they made some bad choices in terms of characters and stages.
stage are fine...only a minor complaint here and there (Elektroplankton I don't get, and frankly some N64 would be nice, but not necessary).
Roster is a failure in many regards, and lack of spread of representation is horrible.
It soars in mutliplayer fun, and a good 1 player, but online fails miserably in many areas...compared to Xbox and PS3. comapred to Nintendo, its a godsend.
Still, Kirby deserves 3 reps.
no, it deserves 4, the fourth being
GOOEYYYYYYY
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 23, 2008, 10:29:21 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on February 23, 2008, 10:26:47 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 23, 2008, 10:24:19 PM
Tibar, they made some bad choices in terms of characters and stages.
stage are fine...only a minor complaint here and there (Elektroplankton I don't get, and frankly some N64 would be nice, but not necessary).
Roster is a failure in many regards, and lack of spread of representation is horrible.
It soars in mutliplayer fun, and a good 1 player, but online fails miserably in many areas...compared to Xbox and PS3. comapred to Nintendo, its a godsend.
Still, Kirby deserves 3 reps.
no complaints there, but still, Fire Emblem, F-Zero, Metroid, and other unrepresented franchises got the shaft badly. How are ROB and Toon Link worthy yet Ray Mk1, Isaac, Samurai Goroh, and Sigurd NOT!?
Quote from: Nayrman on February 23, 2008, 10:31:24 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 23, 2008, 10:29:21 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on February 23, 2008, 10:26:47 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 23, 2008, 10:24:19 PM
Tibar, they made some bad choices in terms of characters and stages.
stage are fine...only a minor complaint here and there (Elektroplankton I don't get, and frankly some N64 would be nice, but not necessary).
Roster is a failure in many regards, and lack of spread of representation is horrible.
It soars in mutliplayer fun, and a good 1 player, but online fails miserably in many areas...compared to Xbox and PS3. comapred to Nintendo, its a godsend.
Still, Kirby deserves 3 reps.
no complaints there, but still, Fire Emblem, F-Zero, Metroid, and other unrepresented franchises got the shaft badly. How are ROB and Toon Link worthy yet Ray Mk1, Isaac, Samurai Goroh, and Sigurd NOT!?
Toon Link would have been awesome if he weren't a clone.
And at least Animal Crossing got every type of rep EXCEPT a character. :P
Jono, it's amazing how you can knock all of those characters, yet you have not played the game. The clones, I can see where you are coming from. You think great, original characters like Olimar, Wario, and and Lucario shoulodn't be in for the absolutely, most dumb-ass reasons ever. Just because you didn't like Pikmin, doesn't mean it shouldn't be represented in Brawl. Just because Wario has a fart move, doesn't mean he shouldn't be in Brawl. Just because Lucario replaced MewTwo, doesn't mean he shouldn't be in Brawl. MewTwo sucked ass, anyway. You say you wont use online much, then stop intercourse ing complaining about it.
Wow... why do I hang out on these forums.
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Tibar, they made some bad choices in terms of characters and stages.
stage are fine...only a minor complaint here and there (Elektroplankton I don't get, and frankly some N64 would be nice, but not necessary).
Roster is a failure in many regards, and lack of spread of representation is horrible.
It soars in mutliplayer fun, and a good 1 player, but online fails miserably in many areas...compared to Xbox and PS3. comapred to Nintendo, its a godsend.
Still, Kirby deserves 3 reps.
no complaints there, but still, Fire Emblem, F-Zero, Metroid, and other unrepresented franchises got the shaft badly. How are ROB and Toon Link worthy yet Ray Mk1, Isaac, Samurai Goroh, and Sigurd NOT!?
Toon Link would have been awesome if he weren't a clone.
And at least Animal Crossing got every type of rep EXCEPT a character. :P
Still general failure for the roster...
I'm still going to love this game to death still, but however i can't get hte feeling this game won't live up to what it could've been (and Sakurai, you can't tell me NO ONE was interested in having another third party in the game....I'm sure capcom or Namco were at least askin)
Quote from: Joeofmars on February 23, 2008, 10:37:42 PM
Jono, it's amazing how you can knock all of those characters, yet you have not played the game. The clones, I can see where you are coming from. You think great, original characters like Olimar, Wario, and and Lucario shoulodn't be in for the absolutely, most dumb-ass reasons ever. Just because you didn't like Pikmin, doesn't mean it shouldn't be represented in Brawl. Just because Wario has a fart move, doesn't mean he shouldn't be in Brawl. Just because Lucario replaced MewTwo, doesn't mean he shouldn't be in Brawl. MewTwo sucked ass, anyway. You say you wont use online much, then stop f***ing complaining about it.
Wow... why do I hang out on these forums.
Most origional characters I can stand...besides ROB. He's utterly worthless.
Not to mention all the clone characters from before are still clones, thus = laziness.
Seriously, it's not that hard to give Ganondorf a new moveset X_X;;
Quote from: Joeofmars on February 23, 2008, 10:37:42 PM
Jono, it's amazing how you can knock all of those characters, yet you have not played the game. The clones, I can see where you are coming from. You think great, original characters like Olimar, Wario, and and Lucario shoulodn't be in for the absolutely, most dumb-ass reasons ever. Just because you didn't like Pikmin, doesn't mean it shouldn't be represented in Brawl. Just because Wario has a fart move, doesn't mean he shouldn't be in Brawl. Just because Lucario replaced MewTwo, doesn't mean he shouldn't be in Brawl. MewTwo sucked ass, anyway. You say you wont use online much, then stop intercourse ing complaining about it.
Wow... why do I hang out on these forums.
I didn't say they shouldn't be in, I said that I didn't like the game for that. how did it translate into that for you? I have no problem with Wario being in, as long as they don't make him his warioware self. I just don't see why potty humor is funny. I got over that when I was 8. I have no problem with Lucario, but Mewtwo should have been in first. doesn't make sense to replace a character that everyone loved with a different one when you can just put both of them in, as they could have easily done. Who cares that mewtwo sucked ass? He was still awesome. :|
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be positive:
you can play online
I won't though, for the most part. it's more fun to play with my brother in stock matches than with 3 other random people who may kick my ass completely or be destroyed by me, because since there is no ranking system whatsoever, there is no way to consistently play people at your skill level. see how that screwed it over? Online shouldn't be a selling point for this game. it's a worthless feature in the way that they put it in the game.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
it has a great roster
no it doesn't. List of characters I'd prefer not to be in:
Wario (OMGLOL HE FARTS :|)
Lucario (Mewtwo was more badass, and was already being put in the game if they hadn't taken him out)
Olimar (just don't like the series that much)
Also, Fox Falco & Wolf all share the same final smash, and fox & falco are basically the same character (wolf is completely different though, but he still shouldn't have been put in the game over others)
Toon Link has nearly identical moves to Link, share identical final smashes.
Lucas & Ness are basically the same, and share final smashes. However, they're both worthless and incredibly easy to dodge.
Ganondorf is still the same character as captain falcon, which didn't make any sense whatsoever in the first place.
Mario got the worthless FLUDD instead of his previously awesome down & B, while Luigi stayed the same.
no nana & popo switching.
ROB. need I say more?
Also, a lack of another metroid representative where one was deserved.
Also, they could have put in black shadow and given him ganondorf's moveset, freeing up ganondorf for a moveset that actually MAKES SENSE.
Also, Fire Emblem got the shaft as well.
Also, lack of a further third party representative where they could have easily put one.
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the stages are great
yep, but no N64 stages, and Corneria is frickin tiny now. :|
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
not to mention stage builder
and only four (or was it three?) unlockable pieces that really aren't that great, along with there being crappy backgrounds & the piece sets being uninventive.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
u can play co-op in the SSE
fixed.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
there's like 380 trophies, not to mention stickers
which is part of my argument for why they were so lazy. why put so much effort into those things when you could put it into, let's say, bonuses, a part of the previous game that I adored.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
the music is awesome
yes, but no importing of music, something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement.
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it still has classic and all-star
thankfully, but to be expected.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
it'll outsell halo cuz it's so freakin' good!
outsell =/= better game.
Also, are you making bets on that?
Yeah, it'll outsell Halo
no, it won't outsell halo 3.
you just basically slapped everyone that helped made brawl in the face with those harsh complaints. i disagree with you completely.
then give me some counter-arguments to prove me wrong.
they deserve a slap in the face. they were lazy while making this game, and it really, really shows. If one can't see that, they're a complete sheep.
roster:
highly requested:
wario, lucario, olimar, wolf, toon link, lucas.
don't diss falco, he got some new moves if u bothered to look closely at him on the dojo.
ganondorf is a great character. he also has some new moves.
ROB= the WTF character of brawl. like Mr. G & W in melee. It's a tradition to have a WTF character.
the ice climbers are important
Samus really is the only main character in metroid. not really ridley.
Fire emblem got Ike. although i wish roy and lyn made it.
third parties is not what the game is about. it's about nintendo characters.
just cuz they didn't return any ancient stages and made one past stage a little smaller doesn't mean that it ruined stages. stage builder is just awesome! u wouldn't believe what kind of stages u can make with it. i saw a labrinth thing on youtube.
co-op is a nice thing they did to make the experience better for two siblings wanting to play at the same time to unlock characters.
trophies are so fun to collect. they help you understand the history of nintendo. stickers looks like a fun little feature.
to import CD's would take away the point of making music for the game at all.
classic and all-star will be fun little things to do when u get bored of the SSE (that'll take a while)
it'll outsell halo3. trust me. and if you think they have been horrible at making the game then why don't you help them instead of sitting at your computer complaing about everything in the game.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:43:35 PM
roster:
highly requested:
wario, lucario, olimar, wolf, toon link, lucas.
don't diss falco, he got some new moves if u bothered to look closely at him on the dojo.
ganondorf is a great character. he also has some new moves.
ROB= the WTF character of brawl. like Mr. G & W in melee. It's a tradition to have a WTF character.
the ice climbers are important
Samus really is the only main character in metroid. not really ridley.
Fire emblem got Ike. although i wish roy and lyn made it.
third parties is not what the game is about. it's about nintendo characters.
just cuz they didn't return any ancient stages and made one past stage a little smaller doesn't mean that it ruined stages. stage builder is just awesome! u wouldn't believe what kind of stages u can make with it. i saw a labrinth thing on youtube.
co-op is a nice thing they did to make the experience better for two siblings wanting to play at the same time to unlock characters.
trophies are so fun to collect. they help you understand the history of nintendo. stickers looks like a fun little feature.
to import CD's would take away the point of making music for the game at all.
classic and all-star will be fun little things to do when u get bored of the SSE (that'll take a while)
it'll outsell halo3. trust me. and if you think they have been horrible at making the game then why don't you help them instead of sitting at your computer complaing about everything in the game.
Dorf is still a clone, which that alone is absurd. sure, some moves are different, but for gods sake is his sword too much to ask for? Not to mention all previous clone characters are still clones. Stages are fine, and stage editor rules. No complaints there. (alhtough I do want my Saffron, I'm fine without it). Co-op is fine, even though I won't be using it much. Torhpies and stickers were a complete waste of time. Trohpies are nice, but for christ's sake we don't need over 600 of them... I'd rather have more characters for taking up that disc space, thanks. Stickers are really pointless...since Brawl is a fighting game, not some lame-o RPG that needs that sort of thing.
They put the CD/music feature in Excite Truck....is it too much to ask for? Seriously, it's not too much to ask for X_X;;
SSE is really short, but at least we got a story mode X_X;;
Classic and All-Star are just to get trohpies and coins at this point.
I would make a better game, but I'm not in college yet and god knows if Nintendo will ever listen to what american's want...
mkay.
You guys need to stop b*tching about all the tiny flaws this game has.
The reason online is...sub-par, is so it could fit in 1 disc.
there are 630 trophies I believe, and probably more stickers..
The stages i'm okay with.
Who cares if stage builder doesn't have that much customization, be happy you even got it in the first place.
The roster.
I don't hate clones...(coughcoughRoy) but you are right, some characters could have been decloned easily.
hey, at least it's better than melee's 25 characters... (Even though Roy isn't in...)
also more reps like Ridley, and such should have been in...
but then again, who else would have made a great metroid boss in SSE?
ah, SSE.
Who cares if it's 4-6 hours long.
It's better than the melee adventure mode....
doing the same crap over and over again, but only with a diffrent character.
and it has Co-op! so you can have an even more fun time with your friends.
and the cutscenes look like it was made for the bloody 360! (Especially the galactic battle one)
the reason there are only 2 third party reps, is because no other company asked for thier character to be in.
the music is godly. I mean, 300 songs? Please Don't b*tch about it.
Overall: your all being a little childish about it.
Sakurai and his team have been working for years on this and when it's finally out, you start bashing it.
would you like it if someone called your work crappy and called you lazy?
I didn't think so.
Uh...triforce, the laziness is true tho....
still clones, something Sakurai didn't want in thefirst place. And he can't complain about development time now, since he got well over twice as much time as Melee, characcter models HANDED to him (thus, no work), delayed twice when overall probably nothing was done, etc.
The laziness is there, but other than cahracters not much to really complain about
Quote from: Nayrman on February 23, 2008, 10:53:15 PM
Uh...triforce, the laziness is true tho....
still clones, something Sakurai didn't want in thefirst place. And he can't complain about development time now, since he got well over twice as much time as Melee, characcter models HANDED to him (thus, no work), delayed twice when overall probably nothing was done, etc.
The laziness is there, but other than cahracters not much to really complain about
I do agree with you there.
but still, be grateful for what you have.
5 clones added to the roster is better than having just 30 original characters... am I right?
I say more replay value = better.
and the clones are more like Luigi's.
Semi-clones. ;)
Quote from: Triforceman22 on February 23, 2008, 10:49:47 PM
mkay.
You guys need to stop b*tching about all the tiny flaws this game has.
The reason online is...sub-par, is so it could fit in 1 disc.
there are 630 trophies I believe, and probably more stickers..
The stages i'm okay with.
Who cares if stage builder doesn't have that much customization, be happy you even got it in the first place.
The roster.
I don't hate clones...(coughcoughRoy) but you are right, some characters could have been decloned easily.
hey, at least it's better than melee's 25 characters... (Even though Roy isn't in...)
also more reps like Ridley, and such should have been in...
but then again, who else would have made a great metroid boss in SSE?
ah, SSE.
Who cares if it's 4-6 hours long.
It's better than the melee adventure mode....
doing the same crap over and over again, but only with a diffrent character.
and it has Co-op! so you can have an even more fun time with your friends.
and the cutscenes look like it was made for the bloody 360! (Especially the galactic battle one)
the reason there are only 2 third party reps, is because no other company asked for thier character to be in.
the music is godly. I mean, 300 songs? Please Don't b*tch about it.
Overall: your all being a little childish about it.
Sakurai and his team have been working for years on this and when it's finally out, you start bashing it.
would you like it if someone called your work crappy and called you lazy?
I didn't think so.
exactly. toon link is the only complete clone. falco, ganondorf, etc. are absolutely semi clones since they got a few new moves. my point is ur making the game seem worse than it is for no reason. this game will be as close to perfect you'll ever see for the Wii. *sigh* i just love argueing.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:43:35 PM
roster:
highly requested:
wario, lucario, olimar, wolf, toon link, lucas.
don't diss falco, he got some new moves if u bothered to look closely at him on the dojo.
ganondorf is a great character. he also has some new moves.
ROB= the WTF character of brawl. like Mr. G & W in melee. It's a tradition to have a WTF character.
the ice climbers are important
Samus really is the only main character in metroid. not really ridley.
Fire emblem got Ike. although i wish roy and lyn made it.
third parties is not what the game is about. it's about nintendo characters.
just cuz they didn't return any ancient stages and made one past stage a little smaller doesn't mean that it ruined stages. stage builder is just awesome! u wouldn't believe what kind of stages u can make with it. i saw a labrinth thing on youtube.
co-op is a nice thing they did to make the experience better for two siblings wanting to play at the same time to unlock characters.
trophies are so fun to collect. they help you understand the history of nintendo. stickers looks like a fun little feature.
to import CD's would take away the point of making music for the game at all.
classic and all-star will be fun little things to do when u get bored of the SSE (that'll take a while)
it'll outsell halo3. trust me. and if you think they have been horrible at making the game then why don't you help them instead of sitting at your computer complaing about everything in the game.
also highly requested: Ridley, Geno, Krystal. Assumed to get in: Dr. Mario, Mewtwo, both likable characters, both got the shaft. Geno's abscence, considering how high it was on the "list", is also evidence of them being lazy.
He doesn't have new moves, he has different moves. not the same thing.
Ganondorf has perhaps one new move aside from his FS, which doesn't count. his moves look different, but they're largely the same.
Yes, it's a tradition to have a WTF character, but ROB was not the choice to make. Rygar would have been that choice. I don't feel like going into why I feel like ROB was such a bad choice here. some other time.
The Ice climbers are important, yes. I liked their character. which is why I'm wondering why you can't do the nana-popo -> popo-nana swap anymore. laziness.
Ridley is a recurring boss, and as evidenced by Melee, would have easily, easily worked.
Fire Emblem also lost a character (even though he was a crappy one that was worthless because he was just a crapy version of Marth). I'm not a FE fan, so I can't really comment on it, but Fire Emblem was one of the big names that got shafted horribly.
If third parties is not what the game is about, why did they put them in in the first place? If third parties did not matter, Kojima's begging to put snake into melee shouldn't have mattered, because sakurai would have rejected the idea.
I know that stage builder is awesome, I'm just saying they could have done so much more with the effort they had already put in. They made an incredible game, it's just that they could have gone the extra mile to make it spectacular. I'm sorry to say this, but it's true. THPS3 had a better map editor.
they didn't make the past stage a little smaller. they made the characters really big. The stage selection is great, and that's one of the great points about the game. Thing is though, I loved the original kirby island to death. easily my favorite level of all time. *cries*
Trophies are fun to collect, yes, but wouldn't it be more fun to have another character or stage? maybe a new gameplay mode, a few assist trophies, pokemon, maybe some more bug testing instead?
no, importing CDs would not take away the point. the game would still have great music. there's no reason for them to not have included the feature.
They didn't do a horrible job at making the game. That's not what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to say that since they went through all of the work to make the game as great as it is, why not go the extra mile and make it spectacular? There are plenty of glitches that make no sense that they could have bug-tested out. They could have added in more pieces in the stage builder or... or finished the characters that they had started. They could have made a ranked online system, and if they really had problems with that, they could have it run behind the scenes, so that you would always be playing people equal to you.
I just don't see why they would put so much effort into making a great game, but then not put in the little effort that is required to make it one of the best games ever.
Maybe it'll outsell halo 3, but not in the sense people are thinking. It'll outsell in the years to come, but certainly not within the next two.
Quote from: Triforceman22 on February 23, 2008, 10:56:42 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on February 23, 2008, 10:53:15 PM
Uh...triforce, the laziness is true tho....
still clones, something Sakurai didn't want in thefirst place. And he can't complain about development time now, since he got well over twice as much time as Melee, characcter models HANDED to him (thus, no work), delayed twice when overall probably nothing was done, etc.
The laziness is there, but other than cahracters not much to really complain about
I do agree with you there.
but still, be grateful for what you have.
5 clones added to the roster is better than having just 30 original characters... am I right?
I say more replay value = better.
and the clones are more like Luigi's.
Semi-clones. ;)
Um...the only clone that makes any sense tho is Luigi...since he's supposed to be similar to Mario.
Toon Link = give him some freakin WW items please...
Falco and Wolf = they aren't fox...quite making them like fox...it's kind of annoying
Ganondorf = ultimate showing of laziness. Jeezus he has a sword and magic in the games, yet you choose to copy him off of....Falcon? Ultimate WTF move ever. seriously, he's not a futuristic racer, so don't make him act like one. And jeezus christ GIVE HIM HIS SWORD!!!
hmm...
at least his sword is one of his taunts....XD
i'm just saying, stop bickering and be happy with what you got.
(God, I sound like a parent...)
wow, it's been dead for quite along time...
Quote from: Joeofmars on February 23, 2008, 08:53:27 PM
Anybody not expecting a Wii Would Like To Play commercial, is a jackass.
This. The only time they're not gonna do a Wii Would Like To Play is when they move on to the next console.
Unfortunately, nobody here seems to realize that. :|
Aw great, again with the "Wii would like to play" commercial? Hasn't Nintendo realized that it's starting to get lame now?
Heck, it was lame with the first commercial, why continue? ::)
Quote from: darklink140 on February 24, 2008, 12:14:19 PM
Aw great, again with the "Wii would like to play" commercial? Hasn't Nintendo realized that it's starting to get lame now?
Heck, it was lame with the first commercial, why continue? ::)
Because it's relatively easy to make.
they'd better have a different mario kart commercial. the one for Double Dash was so awesome...
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Quote from: tibar7 on February 23, 2008, 10:43:35 PM
roster:
highly requested:
wario, lucario, olimar, wolf, toon link, lucas.
don't diss falco, he got some new moves if u bothered to look closely at him on the dojo.
ganondorf is a great character. he also has some new moves.
ROB= the WTF character of brawl. like Mr. G & W in melee. It's a tradition to have a WTF character.
the ice climbers are important
Samus really is the only main character in metroid. not really ridley.
Fire emblem got Ike. although i wish roy and lyn made it.
third parties is not what the game is about. it's about nintendo characters.
just cuz they didn't return any ancient stages and made one past stage a little smaller doesn't mean that it ruined stages. stage builder is just awesome! u wouldn't believe what kind of stages u can make with it. i saw a labrinth thing on youtube.
co-op is a nice thing they did to make the experience better for two siblings wanting to play at the same time to unlock characters.
trophies are so fun to collect. they help you understand the history of nintendo. stickers looks like a fun little feature.
to import CD's would take away the point of making music for the game at all.
classic and all-star will be fun little things to do when u get bored of the SSE (that'll take a while)
it'll outsell halo3. trust me. and if you think they have been horrible at making the game then why don't you help them instead of sitting at your computer complaing about everything in the game.
also highly requested: Ridley, Geno, Krystal. Assumed to get in: Dr. Mario, Mewtwo, both likable characters, both got the shaft. Geno's abscence, considering how high it was on the "list", is also evidence of them being lazy.
He doesn't have new moves, he has different moves. not the same thing.
Ganondorf has perhaps one new move aside from his FS, which doesn't count. his moves look different, but they're largely the same.
Yes, it's a tradition to have a WTF character, but ROB was not the choice to make. Rygar would have been that choice. I don't feel like going into why I feel like ROB was such a bad choice here. some other time.
The Ice climbers are important, yes. I liked their character. which is why I'm wondering why you can't do the nana-popo -> popo-nana swap anymore. laziness.
Ridley is a recurring boss, and as evidenced by Melee, would have easily, easily worked.
Fire Emblem also lost a character (even though he was a crappy one that was worthless because he was just a crapy version of Marth). I'm not a FE fan, so I can't really comment on it, but Fire Emblem was one of the big names that got shafted horribly.
If third parties is not what the game is about, why did they put them in in the first place? If third parties did not matter, Kojima's begging to put snake into melee shouldn't have mattered, because sakurai would have rejected the idea.
I know that stage builder is awesome, I'm just saying they could have done so much more with the effort they had already put in. They made an incredible game, it's just that they could have gone the extra mile to make it spectacular. I'm sorry to say this, but it's true. THPS3 had a better map editor.
they didn't make the past stage a little smaller. they made the characters really big. The stage selection is great, and that's one of the great points about the game. Thing is though, I loved the original kirby island to death. easily my favorite level of all time. *cries*
Trophies are fun to collect, yes, but wouldn't it be more fun to have another character or stage? maybe a new gameplay mode, a few assist trophies, pokemon, maybe some more bug testing instead?
no, importing CDs would not take away the point. the game would still have great music. there's no reason for them to not have included the feature.
They didn't do a horrible job at making the game. That's not what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to say that since they went through all of the work to make the game as great as it is, why not go the extra mile and make it spectacular? There are plenty of glitches that make no sense that they could have bug-tested out. They could have added in more pieces in the stage builder or... or finished the characters that they had started. They could have made a ranked online system, and if they really had problems with that, they could have it run behind the scenes, so that you would always be playing people equal to you.
I just don't see why they would put so much effort into making a great game, but then not put in the little effort that is required to make it one of the best games ever.
Maybe it'll outsell halo 3, but not in the sense people are thinking. It'll outsell in the years to come, but certainly not within the next two.
ridley and krystal are only 2 of the very few characters tahat deserved to be in that didn't make it. they tried to get Geno but the people who owned Geno were being stupid.
ganondorf sould be classified as a semi clone since he has more different moves than u think.
Geno was going to be the WTF character, but since they couldn't get him in they did ROB instead.
not being able to do the nana-popo swich isn't the end of the world.
melee was the very first time ridley was in a 3D game. Sakurai graphiced him his own way. in Metroid Prime Corruption Ridley is 5 times bigger than Samus. Ridley would have made a good playable, but he is truly meant to be a boss. Yes Bowser is a boss too, but he is not nearly as detailed as Ridley.
yes, FE lost a character, but they also got a replacement, so no, they id not really get the shaft
nintendo characters is what the game is about. that's why Mario, Pikachu, Kirby, and Link are on the cover. Sakurai didn't put more than 2 third parties in cuz he didn't want to upset the people opposed to third parties that bad.
since stage builder is probably the reason for the first delay, it was obviously extremely hard to make. they didn't make as much as you expected but they perfected what they did do which is where it counts.
the stages are perfect. there's a great selection and you can even creat your own stage if you don't like any of them.
yes charcter or stages would have been better, but they take a while to make, and there's enough of stages already. characters are such a hassle since they need to get permission from the peole that own their rights. we're even lucky we got as much characters as we did.
the music is incredible. u can even unlock music too by collecting CD's.
the game already
is spectacular. no matter how good a game can be there is always going to be critic saying it should be better.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 24, 2008, 01:05:23 PMridley and krystal are only 2 of the very few characters tahat deserved to be in that didn't make it. they tried to get Geno but the people who owned Geno were being stupid.
ganondorf sould be classified as a semi clone since he has more different moves than u think.
Geno was going to be the WTF character, but since they couldn't get him in they did ROB instead.
not being able to do the nana-popo swich isn't the end of the world.
melee was the very first time ridley was in a 3D game. Sakurai graphiced him his own way. in Metroid Prime Corruption Ridley is 5 times bigger than Samus. Ridley would have made a good playable, but he is truly meant to be a boss. Yes Bowser is a boss too, but he is not nearly as detailed as Ridley.
yes, FE lost a character, but they also got a replacement, so no, they id not really get the shaft
nintendo characters is what the game is about. that's why Mario, Pikachu, Kirby, and Link are on the cover. Sakurai didn't put more than 2 third parties in cuz he didn't want to upset the people opposed to third parties that bad.
since stage builder is probably the reason for the first delay, it was obviously extremely hard to make. they didn't make as much as you expected but they perfected what they did do which is where it counts.
the stages are perfect. there's a great selection and you can even creat your own stage if you don't like any of them.
yes charcter or stages would have been better, but they take a while to make, and there's enough of stages already. characters are such a hassle since they need to get permission from the peole that own their rights. we're even lucky we got as much characters as we did.
the music is incredible. u can even unlock music too by collecting CD's.
the game already is spectacular. no matter how good a game can be there is always going to be critic saying it should be better.
Krystal would have been an infinitely better choice than both Falco and wolf, and everyone knows it. Metroid deserved another rep by this point, and didn't get one.
Tell me his different moves then. just because they look different doesn't mean they don't do the same thing. His special moves are the same with the exception of side B, and it still keeps it's old animation until the end.
I never said the nana-popo switch was the end of the world. I said that's something they could have improved on.
No.
Metroid Prime was supposed to come out for the N64. It took far too long, so it didn't. Ridley had 3d proportions and sizes from Metroid Prime before the gamecube was even out.
He could have been both. just like bowser.
FE got the shaft more than any other series except for Mario (-1 reps), but that was made up by the stages & other stuff that mario got.
the amount of people he would have gained by adding another third party would have far outweighed the amount of people disliking it for having third parties.
they did perfect what they did do, but it wouldn't have been that hard to add backgrounds... even to be able to import simple backgrounds. you could do that on Animal Crossing (a different concept, but generally the same).
I didn't say the stages were bad. I said that the stages were great.
wouldn't you rather have 400 less trophies and mewtwo in instead? They have all the rights to Mewtwo. I'm not a huge fan, but they had certainly already started on him, as they did with the rest of the "forbidden 7".
wasn't saying the music was bad.
and I'm one of those critics. there are small things here and there that they could have done to make it incredible, but they chose not to in order to release the game earlier. It looks rushed. I'll be enjoying it for years to come regardless, but the fact remains that it looks rushed.
Quote from: Jono2 on February 24, 2008, 01:17:08 PM
FE got the shaft more than any other series except for Mario (-1 reps), but that was made up by the stages & other stuff that mario got.
I believe F-Zero was also largely ignored.
At least, FE got a whole new character (despite replacing one)
I'm sorry Jono2, but you really deserve to be slapped for saying all that. I wish I got to this topic sooner. So here it goes!!! This is for all of you complainers out there.
Olimar: He got in because Pikmin was popular. Japan doesn't care that you hate the games.
Toon Link got in because of the success of WW and PHG. He's Link so they are bound to be both clones. They have different speeds and their attacks cause different damage.
Falco and Wolf: Saying the Starfox series sucks in sales you are wrong. Starfox Assault is one of gamecube's best sellers. I didn't get that best seller tag for nothing. The franchise is popular and that's why it deserved 3 reps. If you haven't played Starfox it's not your position to say that Krystal deserves to be in more than these two. They're both from the first Starfox. Falco is the ace pilot from the team. Wolf is Fox's rival and Krystal is a newcomer of the team that showed up a few years ago. Falco is more important than Krystal. That's fact. So he must be the 2nd rep. Wolf is the antagonist so he should be in plus he's Fox's rival. Krystal on the other hand was major in a couple of games, not so much in Assault be if there were to be 4 reps she's be in. Now, let's get this straight. Fox and Falco are on the same team. Noticed I made that text bold and italic? They are on the same team so they use the same weapons!! Including Landmasters!!! In Brawl, Falco uses his weapons differently than Fox does. His gun is different, he uses his reflector differently and his side smash is different. Clone is defined as an exact copy of somebody or something else. Is Falco a clone now?
Fire Emblem is not as popular enough as Mario, Zelda, or Pokemon to have more than two reps. Deal with it!
Metroid reps: Ridley never had a 3d appearence before Melee so that melee movie never gave him chances. Face it he's more boss material. You only need Samus for Brawl. Nobody else deserves to be in.
Stage Builder: Wow, you get to make stages and send them to Nintendo?!!! Cool!!! And you're complaining that there's few unlockables? Big deal.
Third-parties: The naked hedgehog got in so everybody should be happy. Sonic's the only one who really deserved to be in. Having to much of these outsiders would take to much of the nintendo element to the game.
Ganondorf: Okay, I agree it's stupid that he's cloned from Falcon but he's different now. His moves look different. Ones fast and the other's slow. We got plenty of swordsman anyway.
ROB: You might like him. Just because you didn't want him in you're gonna wine about it?
Music: You think Sakurai would let you put your music in the game after he put so much work into it already? There are over 200 songs on there to choose from.
F-Zero lacking reps: It only needs one. Not popular enough.
The game wasn't rushed!!! We got two delays, remember?!! If you have Brawl right now and you play it for an hour and then play melee for an hour what are you gonna think? If you're human you'll think melee's a piece of crap compared to Brawl. Melee is btw the best selling game for the gamecube.
So in conclusion Sakurai put so much time into making this game. He did a great job with the roster. He took out the pointless characters like Pichu and Doc. Now we have over 20 characters with their own moveset unlike in melee. All the franchises have an appropriate amount of reps. I think you guys expected to much of a game you haven't played yet. If you're a real Smash fan you should be counting down the days left and talking about the stuff you like about it.
Nintendo makes mistakes when they reach the "Win" area.
Mistakes like the Virtual Boy.
Although the commercials are much better that the VB...
Quote from: Jono2 on February 24, 2008, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: tibar7 on February 24, 2008, 01:05:23 PMridley and krystal are only 2 of the very few characters tahat deserved to be in that didn't make it. they tried to get Geno but the people who owned Geno were being stupid.
ganondorf sould be classified as a semi clone since he has more different moves than u think.
Geno was going to be the WTF character, but since they couldn't get him in they did ROB instead.
not being able to do the nana-popo swich isn't the end of the world.
melee was the very first time ridley was in a 3D game. Sakurai graphiced him his own way. in Metroid Prime Corruption Ridley is 5 times bigger than Samus. Ridley would have made a good playable, but he is truly meant to be a boss. Yes Bowser is a boss too, but he is not nearly as detailed as Ridley.
yes, FE lost a character, but they also got a replacement, so no, they id not really get the shaft
nintendo characters is what the game is about. that's why Mario, Pikachu, Kirby, and Link are on the cover. Sakurai didn't put more than 2 third parties in cuz he didn't want to upset the people opposed to third parties that bad.
since stage builder is probably the reason for the first delay, it was obviously extremely hard to make. they didn't make as much as you expected but they perfected what they did do which is where it counts.
the stages are perfect. there's a great selection and you can even creat your own stage if you don't like any of them.
yes charcter or stages would have been better, but they take a while to make, and there's enough of stages already. characters are such a hassle since they need to get permission from the peole that own their rights. we're even lucky we got as much characters as we did.
the music is incredible. u can even unlock music too by collecting CD's.
the game already is spectacular. no matter how good a game can be there is always going to be critic saying it should be better.
Krystal would have been an infinitely better choice than both Falco and wolf, and everyone knows it. Metroid deserved another rep by this point, and didn't get one.
Tell me his different moves then. just because they look different doesn't mean they don't do the same thing. His special moves are the same with the exception of side B, and it still keeps it's old animation until the end.
I never said the nana-popo switch was the end of the world. I said that's something they could have improved on.
No.
Metroid Prime was supposed to come out for the N64. It took far too long, so it didn't. Ridley had 3d proportions and sizes from Metroid Prime before the gamecube was even out.
He could have been both. just like bowser.
FE got the shaft more than any other series except for Mario (-1 reps), but that was made up by the stages & other stuff that mario got.
the amount of people he would have gained by adding another third party would have far outweighed the amount of people disliking it for having third parties.
they did perfect what they did do, but it wouldn't have been that hard to add backgrounds... even to be able to import simple backgrounds. you could do that on Animal Crossing (a different concept, but generally the same).
I didn't say the stages were bad. I said that the stages were great.
wouldn't you rather have 400 less trophies and mewtwo in instead? They have all the rights to Mewtwo. I'm not a huge fan, but they had certainly already started on him, as they did with the rest of the "forbidden 7".
wasn't saying the music was bad.
and I'm one of those critics. there are small things here and there that they could have done to make it incredible, but they chose not to in order to release the game earlier. It looks rushed. I'll be enjoying it for years to come regardless, but the fact remains that it looks rushed.
jono2 u need to get your faqs straight.
krystal is not as important as falco are wolf. falco is a well repected veteran and has been in Star Fox from the very start. Wolf is a villian and the game needed more villians as playables. They may have not put Krystal in cuz it would upset the slippy and peppy fans.
about Metroid: Ridley was the only considerable choice, but bfore they realized that they had already made him a boss in the SSE. Hey at least they put in Zerosuit Samus to try to make up for it.
I've seen Ganondorf fight and his standard moves have drastically changed. Just watch him fight on youtube.
I don't even care about the ice climber swap. hey they were almost kicked out so I'm thankful they're in at all.
yes before the gamecube came out ridley's 3D form had porportions by his
creators and stuff like you said, but melee was the actual firt game where he was 3D. And who graphiced him in melee? Sakurai, not he creator of Metroid and Ridley. And don't tell me the creators of characters go to Sakurai's company and graphic the character themselves cuz they don't. If you hadn't noticed, Sakurai graphics thecharacters better then the creators do in their games. For instance you notice the detailed stitching in Mario's overalls in Galaxy. But you sure do in Brawl.
yes Ridley could have been both like Bowser but he isn't. Everyone knows that Bowser is a playable in almost every multi-player Mario game not counting co-op or Mario Parties. Ridley was only meant to be a boss. Even though he might have made a cool playable I just can't imagine it.
FE didn't really get the shaft in this game. Their number of reps stayed the same and they actually got their own stage in this game unlike melee. and don't tell me that Temple was a FE stage cuz it was only Zelda. It was detailed with triforce markings all over.
yes, he would have gained more fans for adding another 3rd party but he would have lost some fans too. he really didn't want to upset people. that's why he kept Mr. G & W and Ice Climbers and replaced young link with toon link to credit wind waker.
he didn't want to spend precious time adding backgrounds when he had stages and characters to finish. He was pressed for time.
they took mewtwo out since he was one of the least poular veterans. I think lots of people will like Lucario better, although I miss mewtwo.
and the trophies are fun to collect. they're easier and faster to make than characters, so why not make a lot.
how can the game be rushed if they've been working on it more than twice as long as melee? I recall Sakurai felt rushed making melee, so that's why he took his time to make Brawl better. He also fixed amny gameplay flaws. If it was rushed it would have a lot more characters but poor graphics, gameplay and stuff like that. So no the game was not rushed. it's the best game I'll ever play I know that for sure.
"He didn't want to spend precious time adding backgrounds when he had stages and characters to finish. He was pressed for time."
"how can the game be rushed if they've been working on it more than twice as long as melee?
Because even you said he was pressed for time.
He wasn't, he just didn't add enough good stuff for most people.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 24, 2008, 07:27:06 PM
"He didn't want to spend precious time adding backgrounds when he had stages and characters to finish. He was pressed for time."
"how can the game be rushed if they've been working on it more than twice as long as melee?
Because even you said he was pressed for time.
He wasn't, he just didn't add enough good stuff for most people.
being pressed for time and rushing are two different things. if you guys were true smash fans you'd be defending the game and the creator like I am. instead ur complaining about minor things like backgrounds and too much trophies.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 24, 2008, 07:31:02 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 24, 2008, 07:27:06 PM
"He didn't want to spend precious time adding backgrounds when he had stages and characters to finish. He was pressed for time."
"how can the game be rushed if they've been working on it more than twice as long as melee?
Because even you said he was pressed for time.
He wasn't, he just didn't add enough good stuff for most people.
being pressed for time and rushing are two different things. if you guys were true smash fans you'd be defending the game and the creator like I am. instead ur complaining about minor things like backgrounds and too much trophies.
Well I've been complaining about clones (which he promised wouldn't be in the game) and the roster size ( Sakurai wanted at least 40 characters.)
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 24, 2008, 07:34:40 PM
Quote from: tibar7 on February 24, 2008, 07:31:02 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 24, 2008, 07:27:06 PM
"He didn't want to spend precious time adding backgrounds when he had stages and characters to finish. He was pressed for time."
"how can the game be rushed if they've been working on it more than twice as long as melee?
Because even you said he was pressed for time.
He wasn't, he just didn't add enough good stuff for most people.
being pressed for time and rushing are two different things. if you guys were true smash fans you'd be defending the game and the creator like I am. instead ur complaining about minor things like backgrounds and too much trophies.
Well I've been complaining about clones (which he promised wouldn't be in the game) and the roster size ( Sakurai wanted at least 40 characters.)
well, technically, we got 39 characters....
so yeah...
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 24, 2008, 07:34:40 PM
Quote from: tibar7 on February 24, 2008, 07:31:02 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 24, 2008, 07:27:06 PM
"He didn't want to spend precious time adding backgrounds when he had stages and characters to finish. He was pressed for time."
"how can the game be rushed if they've been working on it more than twice as long as melee?
Because even you said he was pressed for time.
He wasn't, he just didn't add enough good stuff for most people.
being pressed for time and rushing are two different things. if you guys were true smash fans you'd be defending the game and the creator like I am. instead ur complaining about minor things like backgrounds and too much trophies.
Well I've been complaining about clones (which he promised wouldn't be in the game) and the roster size ( Sakurai wanted at least 40 characters.)
he didn't add more characters so the game wouldn't be rushed. besides, he turned those clones into semi clones, so the roster will seem even bigger not to mention transformations and PT. the only real complete clones are Lucas and toon link. Sakurai didn't have much of a choice when making Lucas a clone since he is a PK user like Ness. Even Toon Link has differences with his attack stlye and speed. the increase of charcters and the dcloning to semi cloning will makee the roster seem so much better.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 24, 2008, 07:22:28 PM
jono2 u need to get your faqs straight.
krystal is not as important as falco are wolf. falco is a well repected veteran and has been in Star Fox from the very start. Wolf is a villian and the game needed more villians as playables. They may have not put Krystal in cuz it would upset the slippy and peppy fans.
about Metroid: Ridley was the only considerable choice, but bfore they realized that they had already made him a boss in the SSE. Hey at least they put in Zerosuit Samus to try to make up for it.
I've seen Ganondorf fight and his standard moves have drastically changed. Just watch him fight on youtube.
I don't even care about the ice climber swap. hey they were almost kicked out so I'm thankful they're in at all.
yes before the gamecube came out ridley's 3D form had porportions by his creators and stuff like you said, but melee was the actual firt game where he was 3D. And who graphiced him in melee? Sakurai, not he creator of Metroid and Ridley. And don't tell me the creators of characters go to Sakurai's company and graphic the character themselves cuz they don't. If you hadn't noticed, Sakurai graphics thecharacters better then the creators do in their games. For instance you notice the detailed stitching in Mario's overalls in Galaxy. But you sure do in Brawl.
yes Ridley could have been both like Bowser but he isn't. Everyone knows that Bowser is a playable in almost every multi-player Mario game not counting co-op or Mario Parties. Ridley was only meant to be a boss. Even though he might have made a cool playable I just can't imagine it.
FE didn't really get the shaft in this game. Their number of reps stayed the same and they actually got their own stage in this game unlike melee. and don't tell me that Temple was a FE stage cuz it was only Zelda. It was detailed with triforce markings all over.
yes, he would have gained more fans for adding another 3rd party but he would have lost some fans too. he really didn't want to upset people. that's why he kept Mr. G & W and Ice Climbers and replaced young link with toon link to credit wind waker.
he didn't want to spend precious time adding backgrounds when he had stages and characters to finish. He was pressed for time.
they took mewtwo out since he was one of the least poular veterans. I think lots of people will like Lucario better, although I miss mewtwo.
and the trophies are fun to collect. they're easier and faster to make than characters, so why not make a lot.
how can the game be rushed if they've been working on it more than twice as long as melee? I recall Sakurai felt rushed making melee, so that's why he took his time to make Brawl better. He also fixed amny gameplay flaws. If it was rushed it would have a lot more characters but poor graphics, gameplay and stuff like that. So no the game was not rushed. it's the best game I'll ever play I know that for sure.
you need to learn to spell, man.
falco shouldn't have even been in melee. the series wasn't important, and remains that way with mediocre games that don't sell very well. SF64 was a long time ago, and there hasn't been a near equal quality title since.
Yes, we need more villains. so why take a space animal without a moveset and give him a similar one to two other characters, with the same final smash, when you can put in a fire-breathing air-raiding clawing tail-pogoing dragon? Ridley is far more iconic than Wolf will ever be. More people are mad about ROB than would be if Krystal had replaced Wolf. that's not a valid argument.
ZSS was only there for sex appeal. She's still the exact same character as samus, even though she has a good moveset and looks like she'll be awesome to play as.
standard moves. who cares? the specials are what set them apart. The fact remains that his moves are still based upon a futuristic Formula Zero racer. Put in the gosh darn sword or some magic.
It's not about what you care, it's about what I care, because I'm the one who this argument is based upon. there was no reason to remove that except for the fact that they were lazy about it.
I can't read the next paragraph. use spellchecker and check your grammar. it's horrible.
It's easy to imagine if you played Metroid Prime through to the end, or even metroid prime 3. just imagine a smaller version. how about super metroid? that would have worked just as well, as would have zero mission. Hell, they could have given him moves from Zero Mission's ending ridley fight, mecha ridley. that's a grounded ridley fight that would work.
All FE got was a new stage. every single other franchise gained much more than that (including a representative) with the exception of the retros & mario, which got replaced by having large amounts of stages.
Why would he lose people from adding a third party? That makes no sense at all.
Yes.
He was pressed for time.
rushed.
he didn't have stages and characters to finish. He had trophies to finish instead. If he was busy working on characters, the forbidden 7 would be in instead of the 600 gosh darn trophies. I don't care about trophies. :|
Trophies are fun to collect, yes. are they more fun than an extra character? NO.
It was rushed. face it.
Look at all of the glitches in the game found thus far. despite the havok engine, we still have a character that can hover in the air, recoveries rendered useless by a lame game mechanic, and knockbacks that throw way too far, in the wrong direction. The testers didn't have enough time, obviously.
If it wasn't rushed, the forbidden 7 would be in the game.
if it wasn't rushed, there would be more backgrounds, there would be the ability to add in music into the game.
if it wasn't rushed, it wouldn't look rushed to the casual eye, and that's what I have.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 24, 2008, 07:31:02 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 24, 2008, 07:27:06 PM
"He didn't want to spend precious time adding backgrounds when he had stages and characters to finish. He was pressed for time."
"how can the game be rushed if they've been working on it more than twice as long as melee?
Because even you said he was pressed for time.
He wasn't, he just didn't add enough good stuff for most people.
being pressed for time and rushing are two different things. if you guys were true smash fans you'd be defending the game and the creator like I am. instead ur complaining about minor things like backgrounds and too much trophies.
what?
true smash fans want their game to be as fleshed out as possible.
a true sheep is one who blindly defends their nintendo gods, and that is what you're describing.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 24, 2008, 07:31:02 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 24, 2008, 07:27:06 PM
"He didn't want to spend precious time adding backgrounds when he had stages and characters to finish. He was pressed for time."
"how can the game be rushed if they've been working on it more than twice as long as melee?
Because even you said he was pressed for time.
He wasn't, he just didn't add enough good stuff for most people.
being pressed for time and rushing are two different things. if you guys were true smash fans you'd be defending the game and the creator like I am. instead ur complaining about minor things like backgrounds and too much trophies.
Tsk,
Chill out on that Statment there.
It's because people want SSBB so much that they complain.
If you
CAN understand where they are coming from.
You have those who appreciate the work of Sakurai and everything he's done, also note
that they look forward to this game more then anything.
THEN, you have those who Want SSBB just as much but they feel that SSBB could of/should of
been better then what it's made out to be.
They see what SSBB is made out of and they can easily detect and say what should be in and should be out.
And honestly, if SSBB had more of what Jono stated and a few others, then honestly, SSBB would be
even more well wanted then what it is now.
Yes, SSBB is great and all of that but it could of been Better one way or another things did not have to turn
out the way it did.
**_Just cause people complain about SSBB Does NOT mean that they want it less then Anybody Else_**
You guys need to take a breather...seriously.
Anyways, I foresaw them doing this, the usual underhyping by Nintendo.
**_Just cause people complain about SSBB Does NOT mean that they want it less then Anybody Else_**
exactly. I'm getting this game anyways, because it's going to be a great game, but the thing is, it just could have been so much better, and I'm disappointed that it wasn't. Why not fill the disk to the brim? they could have taken out the lame "masterpieces" that are just selling points for VC games (though I know that it will be appreciated regardless). but I don't see why there are so many trophies and stickers, but at the same time less characters and more clones/semiclones than we were expecting.
Quote from: mackormoses on February 24, 2008, 09:20:25 PM
You guys need to take a breather...seriously.
Anyways, I foresaw them doing this, the usual underhyping by Nintendo.
As long as they don't go insulting eachother, I think that Nsiders talking about it
to get it out of there system, to let there opinions be known is the best way to handle things
on here instead of keeping it inside.
Unless somebody makes a debate thread or something. :P
Quote from: tibar7 on February 24, 2008, 01:05:23 PM
Geno was going to be the WTF character, but since they couldn't get him in they did ROB instead.
Just keep telling yourself that. >_>
If you're a complainer for Brawl read my post on page 4.
Quote from: Jono2 on February 24, 2008, 09:12:52 PM
you need to learn to spell, man.
falco shouldn't have even been in melee. the series wasn't important, and remains that way with mediocre games that don't sell very well. SF64 was a long time ago, and there hasn't been a near equal quality title since.
Yes, we need more villains. so why take a space animal without a moveset and give him a similar one to two other characters, with the same final smash, when you can put in a fire-breathing air-raiding clawing tail-pogoing dragon? Ridley is far more iconic than Wolf will ever be. More people are mad about ROB than would be if Krystal had replaced Wolf. that's not a valid argument.
ZSS was only there for sex appeal. She's still the exact same character as samus, even though she has a good moveset and looks like she'll be awesome to play as.
standard moves. who cares? the specials are what set them apart. The fact remains that his moves are still based upon a futuristic Formula Zero racer. Put in the gosh darn sword or some magic.
It's not about what you care, it's about what I care, because I'm the one who this argument is based upon. there was no reason to remove that except for the fact that they were lazy about it.
I can't read the next paragraph. use spellchecker and check your grammar. it's horrible.
It's easy to imagine if you played Metroid Prime through to the end, or even metroid prime 3. just imagine a smaller version. how about super metroid? that would have worked just as well, as would have zero mission. Hell, they could have given him moves from Zero Mission's ending ridley fight, mecha ridley. that's a grounded ridley fight that would work.
All FE got was a new stage. every single other franchise gained much more than that (including a representative) with the exception of the retros & mario, which got replaced by having large amounts of stages.
Why would he lose people from adding a third party? That makes no sense at all.
Yes.
He was pressed for time.
rushed.
he didn't have stages and characters to finish. He had trophies to finish instead. If he was busy working on characters, the forbidden 7 would be in instead of the 600 gosh darn trophies. I don't care about trophies. :|
Trophies are fun to collect, yes. are they more fun than an extra character? NO.
It was rushed. face it.
Look at all of the glitches in the game found thus far. despite the havok engine, we still have a character that can hover in the air, recoveries rendered useless by a lame game mechanic, and knockbacks that throw way too far, in the wrong direction. The testers didn't have enough time, obviously.
If it wasn't rushed, the forbidden 7 would be in the game.
if it wasn't rushed, there would be more backgrounds, there would be the ability to add in music into the game.
if it wasn't rushed, it wouldn't look rushed to the casual eye, and that's what I have.
Arguments over which series are rep worthy are always terrible as it is mostly based upon opinion. Are you disappointed with the roster? That's fine, but arguing over something as abstract as where the characters come from is a waste of time. Even Sakurai discussed character selection as if it was world inclusive, so it was more of a "Who is more deserving, Samus or Ridley?" than "Who is more deserving, Ridley or Olimar?" Also, Dr. Mario was never expected to return by anybody... well, except for a handful of morons in his cult following.
Zero Suit Samus is there for sex-appeal, but right afterwards you admitted she was a good character. There's no room for complaint.
If this argument is centered around you, then state so more explicitly so everyone will stop wasting their time. Also, Ice Climber switching was just an Easter Egg. Easter is over now. So sad, but trivial.
Fire Emblem was decked, I assume, as to not alienate the Westerners. Sakurai said from the beginning he was against filling the game with Japan-exclusives, so it is not a surprise.
There are quite a few people who were always against the idea of third parties, some of them working on the game. Capcom, Hudson, and Namco did not come forward, and Geno is a legal nightmare.
Trophies are relatively cheap when considering memory, and I doubt Sakurai worked on the trophies much. Characters and stages are seperate issues. Also, are you centralizing the argument?
Sakurai admits Brawl was rushed, but I think the online has more to do with that than anything else. Glitches happen, the "forbidden 7" were most likely unobtainable or relatively insignificant to their series, backgrounds are nice, but you shouldn't be looking back there anyway, and there are about 308 songs by world famous composers, which Sakurai is forcing you to listen to. You're comparing two different beasts altogether.
I hardly doubt most people would say it looked rushed, and you do not have a casual eye if you could even care to make any argum- things presented so far.
What would be "the forbidden seven?"
And how would this game be rushed?
They've been working on it since 2005. :|
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 25, 2008, 05:32:35 AM
What would be "the forbidden seven?"
And how would this game be rushed?
They've been working on it since 2005. :|
the seven characters that they found when they took the game apart. they had character models, but not much else.
the list was
mewtwo
roy
dr mario
pulsle & minun
toon zelda
toon shiek
dixie
Quote from: Jono2 on February 25, 2008, 06:01:08 AM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 25, 2008, 05:32:35 AM
What would be "the forbidden seven?"
And how would this game be rushed?
They've been working on it since 2005. :|
the seven characters that they found when they took the game apart. they had character models, but not much else.
the list was
mewtwo
roy
dr mario
pulsle & minun
toon zelda
toon shiek
dixie
Mewtwo - Sucks that he was taken out
Roy - I don't care one way or another
Dr. Mario - One of my Melee mains, yet he's too insignificant.
Plusle & Minun - Please, No more electric rats.
Toon Zelda - Would have most likely been an exact clone of Zelda
Toon Shiek - Would have most likely been an exact clone of Shiek.
Dixie - Would have been fine as long as she wasn't a clone. Although, K. Rool would have been a much better choice.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 24, 2008, 07:31:02 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 24, 2008, 07:27:06 PM
"He didn't want to spend precious time adding backgrounds when he had stages and characters to finish. He was pressed for time."
"how can the game be rushed if they've been working on it more than twice as long as melee?
Because even you said he was pressed for time.
He wasn't, he just didn't add enough good stuff for most people.
being pressed for time and rushing are two different things. if you guys were true smash fans you'd be defending the game and the creator like I am. instead ur complaining about minor things like backgrounds and too much trophies.
This made me lol. :D :D :D
If you were a true Smash fan, you would think of things to make this game as awesome as possible. You just don't put Sakurai on a pedestal and say that whatever move he makes is awesome.
Quote from: Java_Java on February 24, 2008, 01:30:27 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 24, 2008, 01:17:08 PM
FE got the shaft more than any other series except for Mario (-1 reps), but that was made up by the stages & other stuff that mario got.
I believe F-Zero was also largely ignored.
At least, FE got a whole new character (despite replacing one)
I bring this point up again.
Fire Emblem got a whole new character and a whole new stage.
F-Zero got a new stage, which is basically a newer version of Mute City and a returning stage that most hated...
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 23, 2008, 09:11:03 PM
I hate those commercials because they have no originality at all.
Commercials are supposed to make people who wouldn't buy the product buy it, which is helped by originality.
They just insert a game for every commercial.
i know its so lazy...... and really dumb