F*** yeah!
Personally, I think he'll do a great job. I was rooting for him.
S***, the electoral votes are currently 324-147. Destroyed him!
This is history. First black president.
So, your opinion?
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so four years of him blaming the right, dragging his feet and getting nothing of real impotence done, but at least hes better then mccain
I'm not looking forward to Obama as President...
I'm just happy that Palin won't be working in the White House for the next 4 years at the very least.
Mm, I don't know how good of a president Biden will be...
Fuck.
I'm glad Obama won.
Out of the 2, IMO Obama seems to be the best choice.
I'm Excited to know that He's the 1st black president, and I'm a part of it though!
Of course, I realize that each person has said what ever they needed to say to gain a persons vote, and it's all probably lies...
but atleast it's over.
I'm so glad Obama won. Now I can rub it in all my friends faces just because they wanted McCain. Anyways that is besides the point... Obama should do well as the new president.
Quote from: ninja on November 04, 2008, 09:32:53 PM
Mm, I don't know how good of a president Biden will be...
By that, I am sure you mean something will happen to Obama within his 4 years as president... Biden is very capable, but lets hope Obama stays in office.
Just say intercourse and poop, like anyone cares.
And i'm not thrilled. But whatever.
I sincerely hope you guys get universal health care out of this, because if you do, I'm going to point and laugh for, oh, the rest of my life.
Just because we get universal health care, doesn't mean you're forced to use it. It depends on what kind of system is put into place.
A century and a half of white liberal guilt has come to the forefront and has bubbled over. Good luck to Obama, he's going to need it.
When the US is stuck in the same quagmire state in 2 years, I'll be sitting back and laughing hysterically at all of the idiots who went around campus trumpeting and chanting tonight. Including my roommate.
I simply cannot understand how people can be that excited about a politician.
Quote from: PsychoYoshi on November 04, 2008, 11:43:29 PM
A century and a half of white liberal guilt has come to the forefront and has bubbled over. Good luck to Obama, he's going to need it.
When the US is stuck in the same quagmire state in 2 years, I'll be sitting back and laughing hysterically at all of the idiots who went around campus trumpeting and chanting tonight. Including my roommate.
I simply cannot understand how people can be that excited about a politician.
actually, if Obama intends to implement universal healthcare, the economy will be in a far worse state in two years time than it is now.
Quote from: PsychoYoshi on November 04, 2008, 11:43:29 PM
A century and a half of white liberal guilt has come to the forefront and has bubbled over. Good luck to Obama, he's going to need it.
When the US is stuck in the same quagmire state in 2 years, I'll be sitting back and laughing hysterically at all of the idiots who went around campus trumpeting and chanting tonight. Including my roommate.
I simply cannot understand how people can be that excited about a politician.
It would seem that a lot of Youth/Teens/Mid 20's are excited that Obama is president, simply because they see for the 1st time a Non Caucasian person running the white house now. He looks younger and "up to date with whats going on", over McCain.
Obama seemed to reach the younger group, and a lot of people in that age ranged really did reach out/related to Obama, so they are happy.
Of course I'm speaking for A LOT of people I don't even know, and I'm not even in college.
This is my Opinion, sorry.
i'm of the opinion that you shouldn't vote for someone based solely upon:
1. Age
2. Race
3. "Coolness".
Age was a factor in this election because nobody wants to see Palin as president. people also saw Obama as "hip", which really doesn't make any sense, because he's what... 48?
people should vote for who they vote for because they believe in the beliefs of said nominee. that should be their only reason for voting for said elected representative.
in a perfect world.
Quote from: Jono2 on November 05, 2008, 12:13:42 AM
i'm of the opinion that you shouldn't vote for someone based solely upon:
1. Age
2. Race
3. "Coolness".
Age was a factor in this election because nobody wants to see Palin as president. people also saw Obama as "hip", which really doesn't make any sense, because he's what... 48?
people should vote for who they vote for because they believe in the beliefs of said nominee. that should be their only reason for voting for said elected representative.
in a perfect world.
HA!
I 100% agree with you on that.
That just goes to show you that in America, people thrive on controversy of high level celebrities and people in the Politics.
And for Obama to get praise from popular TV shows, can only help. ::)
i mean, of the two choices, obama/biden or mccain/palin, I can't say that I would prefer either. I'm neither happy nor sad that obama won, and I think i'd have the same stance if mccain won. but the media had a huge influence on this election, and I think they should keep their asses out of it.
obama was publicized as "young" and "trendy", when he made himself into those things after he was publicized as them. if you would poll all of the first-time voters who voted for Obama, I'd bet a good deal of money that at least 70% of them wouldn't be able to tell you his age within three years. McCain? they don't need that rationalization. "He's old, he's ancient, he has a dumbass vice" is all they would reply.
people should vote for what they believe in, not for the candidate that the media says they should.
and WHAT they believe in, not WHO they believe in. I hate the party system.
Obama and a vacuum are the same to me they both suck...
Well, the "young and trendy" idea comes from McCain being 72, and let's face it, he's clearly not well versed in more modern issues, especially the economy.
Voted Obama just because I really hate McSame. I don't particularly like Obama but the POTENTIAL is there for him to be a good president.
Oh, and Mack, we're not going to get universal healthcare anytime soon. The republicans from the south would freak. If anything it would just be a government mandate that forces SOME kind of insureance to be widely affordable so hospitals don't get into any deeper poop than they are now. If you have a plan you'd like to get you can buy that instead. (BTW, McCains plan was give you 5G's and let ya loose. Not a very good plan IMO, only one that wastes money).
Just sayin.
Anything is better than what we are in now.
All I can say is, good luck Mr. Obama, you will need it.
I tend to side more with Democrats usually (which gets me into some interesting debates with my ultra-Republican father), and I do agree with a lot of Obama's views. Glad he won.
Celebratory Election Theme Song!
Song - America, Fuck Yeah!
From - Team America: World Police
Content - Hardcore Fuckin Lyrics and moderate tits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI)
Quote from: TimeMage on November 05, 2008, 06:08:45 AM
Celebratory Election Theme Song!
Song - America, Fuck Yeah!
From - Team America: World Police
Content - Hardcore Fuckin Lyrics and moderate tits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI)
I counter with AMERIKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUi9siyltZg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUi9siyltZg)
although I like the version I found an mp3 of better than this one. It has a cool intro and is faster.
Quote from: Zovistograt on November 05, 2008, 06:01:54 AM
I tend to side more with Democrats usually (which gets me into some interesting debates with my ultra-Republican father), and I do agree with a lot of Obama's views. Glad he won.
although I would say the same, Obama's views benefit nobody except America. Obama wants to move everything back to America, closing off trade ties, and to reopen the NAFTA agreement. If he reopens NAFTA, I will be furious. if he doesn't, he's a liar, but I'd rather have that.
Canadian Business doesn't need any more poop thrown at it. if Obama reopens the NAFTA agreement, Canadian business dies, and we're officially intercourse ed.
Quote from: Zovistograt on November 05, 2008, 06:16:57 AM
I counter with AMERIKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUi9siyltZg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUi9siyltZg)
although I like the version I found an mp3 of better than this one. It has a cool intro and is faster.
I see your AMERIKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH and raise you Stress - The Theme song for Zimmy from GunnerKrigg Court.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5S0dkLZoTg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5S0dkLZoTg)
Quote from: Jono2 on November 05, 2008, 09:30:50 AM
Quote from: Zovistograt on November 05, 2008, 06:01:54 AM
I tend to side more with Democrats usually (which gets me into some interesting debates with my ultra-Republican father), and I do agree with a lot of Obama's views. Glad he won.
although I would say the same, Obama's views benefit nobody except America. Obama wants to move everything back to America, closing off trade ties, and to reopen the NAFTA agreement. If he reopens NAFTA, I will be furious. if he doesn't, he's a liar, but I'd rather have that.
Canadian Business doesn't need any more s*** thrown at it. if Obama reopens the NAFTA agreement, Canadian business dies, and we're officially f***ed.
The only reason he wants to open NAFTA is due to struggling business. It's not likely to happen because Canada and Mexico, like you said, will be furious. However, I'm all for re-evaluating our trade policies. I'm not in particular in favor with Obama's views in that regard (I'm all for trade but we need constant changing quotas rather than trying to keep things stable like the world government is trying to do).
Hey, in this financial crisis gotta look out for number one first X_X;;
Quote from: Jono2 on November 05, 2008, 12:13:42 AM
i'm of the opinion that you shouldn't vote for someone based solely upon:
1. Age
2. Race
3. "Coolness".
Age was a factor in this election because nobody wants to see Palin as president. people also saw Obama as "hip", which really doesn't make any sense, because he's what... 48?
people should vote for who they vote for because they believe in the beliefs of said nominee. that should be their only reason for voting for said elected representative.
in a perfect world.
Your list is a little short, you forgot:
4) Being a veteran
5) Religion
6) Where you live in the country
7) Gender
I could go on and on. The fact is however, that people will vote on these. Hell, it's always been based on poop like this.
I'm proud to say I voted for Obama.
Yay. I helped make history. :3
Quote from: Commissar Torgo on November 04, 2008, 09:23:51 PM
so four years of him blaming the right, dragging his feet and getting nothing of real impotence done, but at least hes better then mccain
I doubt he'll last four years before getting shot. Face it, there are racist bastards out there.
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Personally, I hate Obama and McCain, but I'd rather have McCain. Let's face it, both McCain and Obamas' plans are very unconstitutional.
...Not like many people care anymore though...
Quote from: Red on November 05, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
Personally, I hate Obama and McCain, but I'd rather have McCain. Let's face it, both McCain and Obamas' plans are very unconstitutional.
...Not like many people care anymore though...
How so? The constitution itself has nothing to do with the economy other than Congress being somewhat involved with the regulation of trade.
hmm, I rather liked Sarah Palin and was willing to hand over the country to her and McCain. In the end they were both pretty bad but I'd choose McPalin for the experience, they're the lesser of two evils I guess
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on November 05, 2008, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: Red on November 05, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
Personally, I hate Obama and McCain, but I'd rather have McCain. Let's face it, both McCain and Obamas' plans are very unconstitutional.
...Not like many people care anymore though...
How so? The constitution itself has nothing to do with the economy other than Congress being somewhat involved with the regulation of trade.
No, it doesn't, but it does deal with the way they're going about fixing it, if my memory is correct. If someone would refresh my memory (preferably about Obama's, since he's the President) I might be able to make a greater deal of sense of it...
Quote from: Lichig0 on November 05, 2008, 02:45:19 PM
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AHH HA HA HA HA HA HA! :D
Now THAT is funny!
Let's just hope we don't become a socialist nation. ::)
Quote from: WaterGod on November 05, 2008, 04:22:00 PM
hmm, I rather liked Sarah Palin and was willing to hand over the country to her and McCain. In the end they were both pretty bad but I'd choose McPalin for the experience, they're the lesser of two evils I guess
Watch yourself.
Everyone here seems to hate Palin.
Quote from: WaterGod on November 05, 2008, 04:22:00 PM
hmm, I rather liked Sarah Palin and was willing to hand over the country to her and McCain. In the end they were both pretty bad but I'd choose McPalin for the experience, they're the lesser of two evils I guess
Watch yourself.
Everyone here seems to hate Palin.
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I don't, although I don't particularly like her either.
Quote from: Red on November 05, 2008, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on November 05, 2008, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: Red on November 05, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
Personally, I hate Obama and McCain, but I'd rather have McCain. Let's face it, both McCain and Obamas' plans are very unconstitutional.
...Not like many people care anymore though...
How so? The constitution itself has nothing to do with the economy other than Congress being somewhat involved with the regulation of trade.
No, it doesn't, but it does deal with the way they're going about fixing it, if my memory is correct. If someone would refresh my memory (preferably about Obama's, since he's the President) I might be able to make a greater deal of sense of it...
What do you mean? There is nothing unconstitutional about EITHER of their economic plans. The only things unconstitutional (IMO!) are McCain's social policies (abortion and gay rights).
Quote from: Nayrman on November 05, 2008, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: Red on November 05, 2008, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on November 05, 2008, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: Red on November 05, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
Personally, I hate Obama and McCain, but I'd rather have McCain. Let's face it, both McCain and Obamas' plans are very unconstitutional.
...Not like many people care anymore though...
How so? The constitution itself has nothing to do with the economy other than Congress being somewhat involved with the regulation of trade.
No, it doesn't, but it does deal with the way they're going about fixing it, if my memory is correct. If someone would refresh my memory (preferably about Obama's, since he's the President) I might be able to make a greater deal of sense of it...
What do you mean? There is nothing unconstitutional about EITHER of their economic plans. The only things unconstitutional (IMO!) are McCain's social policies (abortion and gay rights).
Powers not specifically delegated to the federal government belong to the states and people. Ninth Amendment.
Quote from: PsychoYoshi on November 05, 2008, 05:00:24 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on November 05, 2008, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: Red on November 05, 2008, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on November 05, 2008, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: Red on November 05, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
Personally, I hate Obama and McCain, but I'd rather have McCain. Let's face it, both McCain and Obamas' plans are very unconstitutional.
...Not like many people care anymore though...
How so? The constitution itself has nothing to do with the economy other than Congress being somewhat involved with the regulation of trade.
No, it doesn't, but it does deal with the way they're going about fixing it, if my memory is correct. If someone would refresh my memory (preferably about Obama's, since he's the President) I might be able to make a greater deal of sense of it...
What do you mean? There is nothing unconstitutional about EITHER of their economic plans. The only things unconstitutional (IMO!) are McCain's social policies (abortion and gay rights).
Powers not specifically delegated to the federal government belong to the states and people. Ninth Amendment.
Elastic clause allows congress to make any laws deemed necessary, made to allow congress to pass laws in times of crisis and to keep the states from bickering forever should a deadlock issue arise...
it mutes the states rights in terms of global/national economic issues in many instances...
Quote from: Nayrman on November 05, 2008, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: Red on November 05, 2008, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on November 05, 2008, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: Red on November 05, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
Personally, I hate Obama and McCain, but I'd rather have McCain. Let's face it, both McCain and Obamas' plans are very unconstitutional.
...Not like many people care anymore though...
How so? The constitution itself has nothing to do with the economy other than Congress being somewhat involved with the regulation of trade.
No, it doesn't, but it does deal with the way they're going about fixing it, if my memory is correct. If someone would refresh my memory (preferably about Obama's, since he's the President) I might be able to make a greater deal of sense of it...
What do you mean? There is nothing unconstitutional about EITHER of their economic plans. The only things unconstitutional (IMO!) are McCain's social policies (abortion and gay rights).
I don't see how banning abortion is unconstitutional.
I can see how you can say that about gay rights, but I just can't see it for abortion.
IN MY OPINION, abortion is murder, but some people here probably believe the opposite, so whatever.
...And yes I saw the "IMO" if you were wondering.
Quote from: Java_Java on November 05, 2008, 05:18:45 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on November 05, 2008, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: Red on November 05, 2008, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on November 05, 2008, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: Red on November 05, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
Personally, I hate Obama and McCain, but I'd rather have McCain. Let's face it, both McCain and Obamas' plans are very unconstitutional.
...Not like many people care anymore though...
How so? The constitution itself has nothing to do with the economy other than Congress being somewhat involved with the regulation of trade.
No, it doesn't, but it does deal with the way they're going about fixing it, if my memory is correct. If someone would refresh my memory (preferably about Obama's, since he's the President) I might be able to make a greater deal of sense of it...
What do you mean? There is nothing unconstitutional about EITHER of their economic plans. The only things unconstitutional (IMO!) are McCain's social policies (abortion and gay rights).
I don't see how banning abortion is unconstitutional.
I can see how you can say that about gay rights, but I just can't see it for abortion.
IN MY OPINION, abortion is murder, but some people here probably believe the opposite, so whatever.
...And yes I saw the "IMO" if you were wondering.
I'm not so much interested in whether its "murder" or not (because that's up to one's own personal belief. Ther is no clinical way to really define it). I think a ban on abortion is wrong because the government has no right to interfere with your personal life and tell you how to live. It's none of their business and they should worry about more important things than what a small minority of women are doing. (miscarriages kill more babies than abortions do, according to a CNN study I read last year...I'll see if I can find it again).
But that's just me.
Quote from: Nayrman on November 05, 2008, 05:16:04 PM
Quote from: PsychoYoshi on November 05, 2008, 05:00:24 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on November 05, 2008, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: Red on November 05, 2008, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on November 05, 2008, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: Red on November 05, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
Personally, I hate Obama and McCain, but I'd rather have McCain. Let's face it, both McCain and Obamas' plans are very unconstitutional.
...Not like many people care anymore though...
How so? The constitution itself has nothing to do with the economy other than Congress being somewhat involved with the regulation of trade.
No, it doesn't, but it does deal with the way they're going about fixing it, if my memory is correct. If someone would refresh my memory (preferably about Obama's, since he's the President) I might be able to make a greater deal of sense of it...
What do you mean? There is nothing unconstitutional about EITHER of their economic plans. The only things unconstitutional (IMO!) are McCain's social policies (abortion and gay rights).
Powers not specifically delegated to the federal government belong to the states and people. Ninth Amendment.
Elastic clause allows congress to make any laws deemed necessary, made to allow congress to pass laws in times of crisis and to keep the states from bickering forever should a deadlock issue arise...
it mutes the states rights in terms of global/national economic issues in many instances...
The states have more rights than you seem to think. The elastic clause (which is now horribly abused) does NOT have effect over a state if it violates the state's constitution. (Although most states oblige to it either way, because the last time they didn't the civil war broke out) Here's an example:
If a state's constitution says that the taxes in said state can't rise over 5% over one year, and Congress passes a law that says the national tax will rise 7% in the next year, that state has the right to declare that law null. (Poor example, I know.)
Quote from: WaterGod on November 05, 2008, 04:22:00 PM
hmm, I rather liked Sarah Palin and was willing to hand over the country to her and McCain. In the end they were both pretty bad but I'd choose McPalin for the experience, they're the lesser of two evils I guess
I like Sarah Palin too. I mean, I don't think she's ready to be VP, but I still like her.
Quote from: Red on November 06, 2008, 09:04:26 AM
The states have more rights than you seem to think. The elastic clause (which is now horribly abused) does NOT have effect over a state if it violates the state's constitution. (Although most states oblige to it either way, because the last time they didn't the civil war broke out) Here's an example:
If a state's constitution says that the taxes in said state can't rise over 5% over one year, and Congress passes a law that says the national tax will rise 7% in the next year, that state has the right to declare that law null. (Poor example, I know.)
The Supremacy Clause (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_clause) overrides states rights even if we forget about the elastic clause.
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on November 06, 2008, 12:39:51 PM
Quote from: Red on November 06, 2008, 09:04:26 AM
The states have more rights than you seem to think. The elastic clause (which is now horribly abused) does NOT have effect over a state if it violates the state's constitution. (Although most states oblige to it either way, because the last time they didn't the civil war broke out) Here's an example:
If a state's constitution says that the taxes in said state can't rise over 5% over one year, and Congress passes a law that says the national tax will rise 7% in the next year, that state has the right to declare that law null. (Poor example, I know.)
The Supremacy Clause (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_clause) overrides states rights even if we forget about the elastic clause.
Hmmm. Thanks, didn't see that.