http://kotaku.com/5449238/surprise-sonic-is-the-only-playable-character-in-project-needlemouse (http://kotaku.com/5449238/surprise-sonic-is-the-only-playable-character-in-project-needlemouse)
Lo and behold that Sonic is the only playable character in the game. Between Secret Rings/Black Knight (well, you were never FORCED to play as anyone else), and Sonic Unleashed, Sega seems to finally be wising up that no one wants to play as anyone else but Sonic... at least for right now.
Oh and...
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2010/01/500x_crabs.jpg)
EEEEE! It's crabmeat! How I missed you old friend! (hopes for GRRRRRRounder to return as well. XD )
FUCK YES THIS GAME IS GOING TO BE AMAZING
...uh, I'm still skeptical.
No one can really blame you.
i was getting hyped for pikachu in a sombrero
I was actually personally hoping this would take a kind of NSMBWii approach, as that could potentially have online as well, however this is the next best thing for me, still however skeptical.
So...no Tails or Knuckles? This better be awesome.
Quote from: Third K on January 15, 2010, 09:19:15 PM
i was getting hyped for pikachu in a sombrero
I was actually personally hoping this would take a kind of NSMBWii approach, as that could potentially have online as well, however this is the next best thing for me, still however skeptical.
This. If they can revive Sonic like Mega Man 9 or NSMB...then I'll be pleased. Go to the roots, find what made the series fun, and pass that on to a new generation of gamers.
Quote from: mackormoses on January 17, 2010, 02:02:45 PM
This. If they can revive Sonic like Mega Man 9 or NSMB...then I'll be pleased. Go to the roots, find what made the series fun, and pass that on to a new generation of gamers.
Yeah, a NSMB Approach would be well appreciated here, as that's how I hope the rest of the game is approached.
Most of the woodland creatures before the 3D Games (emphasis on most) weren't actually that bad. Want to know why? They didn't have bloody horrible voice acting. They actually had continuous roles each game that made sense. They weren't copy and pasta's of previous characters with similar personalities - It's not just only having sonic as playable and having it a 2D Sidescroller that will help on It's own
Oh well; I'll just wait and see how this turns out. Maybe it will turn out similar to those, only one can hope.
Quote from: mackormoses on January 17, 2010, 02:02:45 PM
This. If they can revive Sonic like Mega Man 9 or NSMB...then I'll be pleased. Go to the roots, find what made the series fun, and pass that on to a new generation of gamers.
Would that include eliminating every single Sonic character besides Sonic and Dr. Eggman? I saw a ranking saying that "Everyone but Sonic and Dr. Eggman should die."
Quote from: AuraChannelerChris on January 17, 2010, 02:16:46 PM
Would that include eliminating every single Sonic character besides Sonic and Dr. Eggman? I saw a ranking saying that "Everyone but Sonic and Dr. Eggman should die."
Quote from: Third K on January 17, 2010, 02:14:48 PM
Most of the woodland creatures before the 3D Games (emphasis on most) weren't actually that bad. Want to know why? They didn't have bloody horrible voice acting. They actually had continuous roles each game that made sense. They weren't copy and pasta's of previous characters with similar personalities
Posted from earlier. New characters aren't bad, but sega has the
worst way of executing them into the game these days. I mean, what the hell do most of the characters even do in most of the plots now? It's just altogether one big pile of bull. I think people just want them to die as well due to how horrible they've been in the newer games.
Quote from: AuraChannelerChris on January 17, 2010, 02:16:46 PM
Would that include eliminating every single Sonic character besides Sonic and Dr. Eggman? I saw a ranking saying that "Everyone but Sonic and Dr. Eggman should die."
I wouldn't say that by any means. Looking at the Mario series, I see great places for Waluigi, King Boo, Rosalina, Toadsworth, etc. Yes, try to create new characters where you can to play parts (ie. Birdo/Tryclyde/Mouser/Wart as bosses)...but keep them within a realm where you can still control the main character(s) as they were intended.
The issue then arises from nostalgia. People don't like one time appearances. Yes, Knuckles and Tails change the gameplay dynamic. They are worthy additions in some sense. But the trend is - we need to see the core gameplay. Just like how I want to see Rosalina incorporated in the future, I also want to see Jet, Omega, etc. in the sonic series. However, Sega (like nintendo) needs to get back to the basics and re-evaluate their star before they can further the other characters and advance the side series.
And on the fifth day of Needlemouse, the choir of angel, said to be heard once in a lifetime, descended upon the offices of SEGA. When they arrived the building was enveloped in a golden glow, the angels told the occupants of the building "Fear not, for we have given our blessing to this company, and it shall remain this way until the second coming has been soiled." At that moment the ones who were building the Needlemouse then realized.
We better not intercourse this up.
Terrific news.
Maybe they'll just have Tails and knuckles pop up here and there in each level.
SONIC I THOUGHT WE WERE OVER FOR GOOD AFTER SONIC UNLEASHED.
Now you all up in here talkin' 'bout some new awesome game. I've heard that story before, Sonic. I shouldn't give you another chance, Sonic. You've dicked me over one too many times already, Sonic. I should hate you, Sonic.
...but I'll give you ONE more chance, Sonic...
Just don't be bringin' any more new hedgehogs up into the house.
Quote from: Drezford_the_Rebell on January 30, 2010, 01:08:26 AM
SONIC I THOUGHT WE WERE OVER FOR GOOD AFTER SONIC UNLEASHED.
Now you all up in here talkin' 'bout some new awesome game. I've heard that story before, Sonic. I shouldn't give you another chance, Sonic. You've dicked me over one too many times already, Sonic. I should hate you, Sonic.
...but I'll give you ONE more chance, Sonic...
Just don't be bringin' any more new hedgehogs up into the house.
What about new echidinas
Quote from: mackormoses on January 30, 2010, 01:31:00 AM
What about new echidinas
That was a weird night, I'd rather not.
Quote from: AuraChannelerChris on January 17, 2010, 02:16:46 PM
Would that include eliminating every single Sonic character besides Sonic and Dr. Eggman? I saw a ranking saying that "Everyone but Sonic and Dr. Eggman should die."
I would say yes.
Get rid of the bullpoop characters from Sonic Heroes, even the story characters like Amy and Rouge.
However, keep Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Eggman, Metal Sonic.
The good characters.
Quote from: Travis Touchdown on February 03, 2010, 11:25:24 AM
However, keep Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Eggman, Metal Sonic.
The good characters.
add this to the list
(http://www.freewebs.com/guiltysonic343/Fang_the_sniper.gif)
and you have my word. with 2D poop they should really keep it down to a close minimum and with 3D poop only have 6 storylines (Like Sonic Adventure) at most, but with those six, actually keep them...Y'know...Doing platforming, not most of the time ships fishing and treasure hunting.
but I think if we're discussing on improving sonic, we shouldn't only be discussing characters. Unleashed had what, 5 plot important characters last I heard? It still was mediocre/sucked from what I've heard from most people.
Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode 1 (wat) will be downloadable this year summer. Trailer inside! (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/sonicthehedgehog4episode1/news.html?sid=6249445&tag=topslot;thumb;1&mode=previews)
Now we can discuss something along with criticizing.
I think it looks pretty good. I'll probably buy it on the Xbox anyway though.
Looks awesome to be honest, and SEGA hasn't screwed up the 2D games yet.
But it's a direct sequel to Sonic 3 and Knuckles, a.k.a. the best Sonic game ever made, so it's got some BIG shoes to fill. I'm cautiously optimistic about the game.
It's a sequel to Sonic 3!? Holy poop. Then again, Sonic 3 & Knuckles is the best Sonic game of the bunch, so it'll be difficult to top that. Especially after, I don't know, everything in the past ten years?
Also, why Episodes? I have never been a fan of buying (roughly) the same game three something times just to experience the whole package.
Quote from: Blue on February 04, 2010, 12:39:47 PM
Also, why Episodes? I have never been a fan of buying (roughly) the same game three something times just to experience the whole package.
It's on the iPhone too. I guess they don't think the iPhone can handle it as one download.
Quote from: Cornwad on February 04, 2010, 01:10:32 PM
It's on the iPhone too. I guess they don't think the iPhone can handle it as one download.
Wait, it's an App? I didn't know that. D:
Thank you.
WiiWare might also be having significant size restrictions.
Sega has also made a poopty flash site for it: http://www.sonicthehedgehog4.com/us/
Click the Characters->Featured section. Notice the single black box next to Sonic? We apparently have two (maybe playable) characters. Hopefully it's Tails or Knuckles. Or it could be a space for Eggman as the main foe.
Quote from: that same character pageArmed with his signature Speed, super Spin Dash - and powerful Homing Attack
I don't believe homing attack was in the Genesis games, but it's nice to see they're not completely scrapping everything relatively new. Hopefully they keep it at just that.
I think Sonic 3D Blast was the only genesis game to have the homing attack with the golden sheild.
Also, the inclusion of the homing attack has caused a bit of an uproar. I see people saying that it isn't classic and that it's unnecessary for 2d sonic games.
Quote from: Qsmash on February 06, 2010, 08:37:34 AM
Also, the inclusion of the homing attack has caused a bit of an uproar. I see people saying that it isn't classic and that it's unnecessary for 2d sonic games.
Why don't we remove the spin dash too - after all, it didn't exist in Sonic 1, which apparently is what people want this game to be a clone of.
I'm great with the idea of returning to Sonic's roots, but all the classicfag complaints I've seen so far about this game are just ridiculous in my opinion. Being at least tiny bit different than the first game rather than an exact clone isn't something to whine about. I, personally, would rather not have the first stage of Sonic 4 be named exactly "Green Hill Zone", probably much unlike many others.
Quote from: bluaki on February 06, 2010, 04:05:44 PM
classicfag
1)Nope, moreso like Sonic 1-3, S&K, and TT.
2)It's not that that's the problem; It can be executed properly. I've heard about a Rom hack for Sonic 1 that implements the Homing Attack rather well. People are just probably worried because you could make the game a lot easier with that, but to be fair, the wall jump from 3D Mario games was in NSMB/Wii.
The only games where the homing attack made anything easier was in the 3D sonic games. I really don't see how making sonic lock on to an enemy 2 feet ahead of you in a 2D Sonic game makes anything easier. It just speeds up the process. Even in Sonic Rush (Adventure) Sonic couldn't use the homing attack on bosses, so I say it would be fair game.
and the homing attack in that game put in full speed mode as soon as you hit the ground which is pretty fast. Let's just hope they execute it right.
Quote from: Third K on February 07, 2010, 05:21:11 AM
1)Nope, moreso like Sonic 1-3, S&K, and TT.
TT?
The people who I've seen complain to extremes like that about things not being classic enough seem usually to include having ANY additional character, including Tails or Knuckles, who existed in most of those. Still classicfag either way with such silly complaints.
I've also seen a ton of comments already whining about the video and audio not being limited to 16-bit capabilities. If that's not ridiculous fandom, I don't know what is.
Quote from: bluaki on February 08, 2010, 02:07:57 PM
I've also seen a ton of comments already whining about the video and audio not being limited to 16-bit capabilities. If that's not ridiculous fandom, I don't know what is.
You can't be serious.
Quote from: Zero on February 08, 2010, 08:17:31 PM
You can't be serious.
On the SEGA forums people are whining about him having green eyes
Oh fun;
Quote from: bluaki on February 08, 2010, 02:07:57 PM
TT?
StH: Triple Trouble. Gamegear but played darn well like the genesis ones and had great level design like the genesis ones. Hell, If It was out on the genesis, it would've easily been in more people's notices when discussing the good sonic games.
Quote
The people who I've seen complain to extremes like that about things not being classic enough seem usually to include having ANY additional character, including Tails or Knuckles, who existed in most of those. Still classicfag either way with such silly complaints.
Well I can't really blame them for complaining considering in almost every new game they have a tenancy to not even try to rely on there original and already established characters. Some are a bit too crazy when it comes to the discussion on which characters to have in the main platformers, but there's those type of people with
any popular series. Hell, I read an entire thread of people saying that the FF4 SNES version > The DS version.
Quote from: TUROK on February 08, 2010, 09:22:38 PM
On the SEGA forums people are whining about him having green eyes
On neogaf they've basically ninnyed about everything.
Quote from: Qsmash on February 07, 2010, 08:13:02 AM
The only games where the homing attack made anything easier was in the 3D sonic games. It just speeds up the process.
Bingo.
Speeds up the process = Easier. More about "HOMING ATTACK LOL" Not that I mind as it's been proven to be done better in the 2D games.
I guess when you create a direct sequel to an old game nowadays, people look at Mega Man 9 and expect that to be the standard. But then again, some people complain the Mega Man 9 uses the old school graphics anyway...
Quote from: Cornwad on February 08, 2010, 10:14:32 PM
I guess when you create a direct sequel to an old game nowadays, people look at Mega Man 9 and expect that to be the standard. .
(http://www.blog.peacemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/new-super-mario-bros-wii-box-art-419x590.jpg)
You know there can be
other standards. This is another standard I've set asides from MM9 and would have a personal preference to something like this (4 player sonic game? Be prepared for a lot of deaths!)
I think Megaman 9 was a better game than NSMBWii. I dunno, Wii felt like classic Mario for dummies still. I mean it was better than DS, but it just didn't feel exactly the same, while MM9 did.
Oh, and LEAK! (maybe)
http://tweaker.sonicretro.org/22717159001_66849663001_LeakedSonic4Alpha.mov (http://tweaker.sonicretro.org/22717159001_66849663001_LeakedSonic4Alpha.mov)
I see Special Stages are like Sonic 1. Interesting.
(http://www.tssznews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Sonic4newscreen.jpg)
Supposed pic of a boss in Sonic 1 (that seems to be at least slightly confirmed)
You can reach the boss in 17 seconds? Just how short are the levels?
Or it could be fake. Who knows.
Quote from: Zero on February 26, 2010, 10:52:16 AM
You can reach the boss in 17 seconds? Just how short are the levels?
Or it could be fake. Who knows.
If we take the letters' colors, I think that's more like a time limit, don't you think?
That'd be a first in a Sonic Game like this
Quote from: Zero on February 26, 2010, 04:57:49 PM
That'd be a first in a Sonic Game like this
either that, or they do act 3 for each level.
maybe act 3 is just the boss.
Quote from: Triforceman22 on February 26, 2010, 11:54:26 PM
maybe act 3 is just the boss.
Probably. A few retro games did just the same thing.
Game's looking great so far. Wonder when we'll next see news about it.
Ironically enough Sonic is the only fast food joint I can eat at and not throw up the next morning.
Quote from: Zero on February 28, 2010, 08:19:23 PM
Ironically enough Sonic is the only fast food joint I can eat at and not throw up the next morning.
Is there something wrong with your stomach? Fast food is good for you. Almost as good as milk.
But yeah, Sonic is delicious.
Quote from: Cornwad on February 28, 2010, 10:08:43 PM
Is there something wrong with your stomach? Fast food is good for you. Almost as good as milk.
But yeah, Sonic is delicious.
No, I just can't eat food that isn't food. AKA Mcdonalds.
Quote from: Zero on March 01, 2010, 04:43:29 AM
No, I just can't eat food that isn't food. AKA Mcdonalds.
But it's the official food of the Olympic games. All Olympic athletes got to where they are today by eating McDonalds.
Quote from: Cornwad on March 01, 2010, 05:00:04 AM
But it's the official food of the Olympic games. All Olympic athletes got to where they are today by eating McDonalds.
lol guess that's why I'm not an olympic champion
They must enjoy eating poop.