Seriously!
I'm in freaking New York! Why the hell would you move all the way up here, then stop?
GO ON TO CANADA AND HIDE IN THE FREAKING SHIELD, GOD DAMMIT.
They annoy the hell out of me, especially when they get unemployment checks, then use it for their spoiled brat kids -_-
It's the only reason I'm taking Spanish!
But then again, all I really need to know how to say are the basic essentials, "Where's the bathroom", "Go away", "curse words"
etc.
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WE DON'T WANT YOUR FING IMMIGRANT PROBLEMS.
KEEP YOUR PROBLEMS TO YOURSELVES.
-signed, the Canadian Border Guard.
Quote from: Lotos on November 17, 2007, 03:23:15 PM
I live in New York too :O I have to deal with the MS13's in the next town over.
Man, that sucks.
There are Muslims all over Lincoln, Nebraska, too.
I live in texas >.> There are lots of immigrants here, and there are over 1 million illegal immigrants in this state o_O
Quote from: Ununquadium on November 17, 2007, 03:24:46 PM
I live in texas >.> There are lots of immigrants here, and there are over 1 million illegal immigrants in this state o_O
We've probably got a million here too :|
Funny, seeing as how the Americans took this land from the Natives illegally.
Quote from: NINNIN6 on November 17, 2007, 03:25:54 PM
Funny, seeing as how the Americans took this land from the Natives illegally.
I never thought of that...Kinda sad, really.
Wait, illegal immigrants have spoiled kids? ???
OK I know i live in new york every morning they wip my windows exept me to pay them -.- I do because i know they got to work to. Why don't they go to canada ? Did you see the border up north compared to one in the south it aint that easy xD
yeah, after we kicked the states's asses in the war of 1812, the states built a giant border. :P
(not serious!)
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 03:50:10 PM
yeah, after we kicked the states's asses in the war of 1812, the states built a giant border. :P
(not serious!)
The states and The provinces build a border.
Quote from: phatyo on November 17, 2007, 03:52:04 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 03:50:10 PM
yeah, after we kicked the states's asses in the war of 1812, the states built a giant border. :P
(not serious!)
The states and The provinces build a border.
notice my (not serious!)? o_O
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 03:52:52 PM
Quote from: phatyo on November 17, 2007, 03:52:04 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 03:50:10 PM
yeah, after we kicked the states's asses in the war of 1812, the states built a giant border. :P
(not serious!)
The states and The provinces build a border.
notice my (not serious!)? o_O
But you see my good sir I am blind there for i can't see it.
I don't take Spanish, even though Hispanics make up like 20% of my school...
Dude, suck it up. Be glad you aren't in the south, where 40% of the population is now Mexican.
I know many illegal immigrants who are great people. :|
Quote from: JMV290 on November 17, 2007, 04:59:30 PM
I know many illegal immigrants who are great people. :|
yes, but that doesn't change the fact that they're illegal immigrants, and that they shouldn't be in the country.
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on November 17, 2007, 04:59:30 PM
I know many illegal immigrants who are great people. :|
yes, but that doesn't change the fact that they're illegal immigrants, and that they shouldn't be in the country.
You do realize that some of them have kids and they want their kids to have a chance at living, right?
Why can't they just stay in mexico...
We're infested with them down here, so don't feel sorry for yourself.
Quote from: JMV290 on November 17, 2007, 06:02:47 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on November 17, 2007, 04:59:30 PM
I know many illegal immigrants who are great people. :|
yes, but that doesn't change the fact that they're illegal immigrants, and that they shouldn't be in the country.
You do realize that some of them have kids and they want their kids to have a chance at living, right?
then they should apply for immigration, not just jump the border.
stfu
Quote from: darkmariov2 on November 17, 2007, 06:10:10 PM
Why can't they just stay in mexico...
We're infested with them down here, so don't feel sorry for yourself.
I love how you describe them as some sort of plague...
Quote from: NINNIN6 on November 17, 2007, 06:13:58 PM
Quote from: darkmariov2 on November 17, 2007, 06:10:10 PM
Why can't they just stay in mexico...
We're infested with them down here, so don't feel sorry for yourself.
I love how you describe them as some sort of plague...
We don't have the same situation in canada, but where I live, we get at least 250 new german immigrants a year (in this city alone) that speak little to no english. they flood the schools and they're basically taking over.
it's not that anyone wants to describe them badly, it's that the situation is that they're replacing the original inhabitants, and frankly, it annoys people.
again, not the same situation. they're completely legal and everything, but when a culture completely invades a small area.
Quote from: NINNIN6 on November 17, 2007, 06:13:58 PM
Quote from: darkmariov2 on November 17, 2007, 06:10:10 PM
Why can't they just stay in mexico...
We're infested with them down here, so don't feel sorry for yourself.
I love how you describe them as some sort of plague...
Legal mexicans are fine.
The ones who:
Can't/refuse to speak english
Live off of welfare
Jump the border
Those get on my nerves.
Heck, most illegal mexicans are hard workers, I'll give them that.
But they have no business being here illegally.
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: NINNIN6 on November 17, 2007, 06:13:58 PM
Quote from: darkmariov2 on November 17, 2007, 06:10:10 PM
Why can't they just stay in mexico...
We're infested with them down here, so don't feel sorry for yourself.
I love how you describe them as some sort of plague...
We don't have the same situation in canada, but where I live, we get at least 250 new german immigrants a year (in this city alone) that speak little to no english. they flood the schools and they're basically taking over.
it's not that anyone wants to describe them badly, it's that the situation is that they're replacing the original inhabitants, and frankly, it annoys people.
again, not the same situation. they're completely legal and everything, but when a culture completely invades a small area.
It... annoys people? These two countries were founded by immigrants who took over. Why should anyone be annoyed?
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 06:11:55 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on November 17, 2007, 06:02:47 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on November 17, 2007, 04:59:30 PM
I know many illegal immigrants who are great people. :|
yes, but that doesn't change the fact that they're illegal immigrants, and that they shouldn't be in the country.
You do realize that some of them have kids and they want their kids to have a chance at living, right?
then they should apply for immigration, not just jump the border.
Why? When the British issued the Proclamation Line to prevent the colonists from moving unto the Native American land, the colonists ignored it and stated in the Declaration of Independence that it was an infringement on their rights.
Quote from: NINNIN6 on November 17, 2007, 06:21:09 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: NINNIN6 on November 17, 2007, 06:13:58 PM
Quote from: darkmariov2 on November 17, 2007, 06:10:10 PM
Why can't they just stay in mexico...
We're infested with them down here, so don't feel sorry for yourself.
I love how you describe them as some sort of plague...
We don't have the same situation in canada, but where I live, we get at least 250 new german immigrants a year (in this city alone) that speak little to no english. they flood the schools and they're basically taking over.
it's not that anyone wants to describe them badly, it's that the situation is that they're replacing the original inhabitants, and frankly, it annoys people.
again, not the same situation. they're completely legal and everything, but when a culture completely invades a small area.
It... annoys people? These two countries were founded by immigrants who took over. Why should anyone be annoyed?
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 06:11:55 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on November 17, 2007, 06:02:47 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on November 17, 2007, 04:59:30 PM
I know many illegal immigrants who are great people. :|
yes, but that doesn't change the fact that they're illegal immigrants, and that they shouldn't be in the country.
You do realize that some of them have kids and they want their kids to have a chance at living, right?
then they should apply for immigration, not just jump the border.
Why? When the British issued the Proclamation Line to prevent the colonists from moving unto the Native American land, the colonists ignored it and stated in the Declaration of Independence that it was an infringement on their rights.
Because they make no effort to learn english. If you're going to move into a new country, you should at least try to learn ONE of the two dominant languages (english or french in this case). they don't, and that's the issue. Yes, they're hard workers, but at the same time, you can't communicate with them.
The British taking the native american's land was also unjust, but the fact is, in this world, the ones who win the wars dictate the rules. Would you say that any wars were unjust? any invasions? They shape the world into what it is today.
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 06:28:44 PM
Quote from: NINNIN6 on November 17, 2007, 06:21:09 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: NINNIN6 on November 17, 2007, 06:13:58 PM
Quote from: darkmariov2 on November 17, 2007, 06:10:10 PM
Why can't they just stay in mexico...
We're infested with them down here, so don't feel sorry for yourself.
I love how you describe them as some sort of plague...
We don't have the same situation in canada, but where I live, we get at least 250 new german immigrants a year (in this city alone) that speak little to no english. they flood the schools and they're basically taking over.
it's not that anyone wants to describe them badly, it's that the situation is that they're replacing the original inhabitants, and frankly, it annoys people.
again, not the same situation. they're completely legal and everything, but when a culture completely invades a small area.
It... annoys people? These two countries were founded by immigrants who took over. Why should anyone be annoyed?
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 06:11:55 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on November 17, 2007, 06:02:47 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on November 17, 2007, 04:59:30 PM
I know many illegal immigrants who are great people. :|
yes, but that doesn't change the fact that they're illegal immigrants, and that they shouldn't be in the country.
You do realize that some of them have kids and they want their kids to have a chance at living, right?
then they should apply for immigration, not just jump the border.
Why? When the British issued the Proclamation Line to prevent the colonists from moving unto the Native American land, the colonists ignored it and stated in the Declaration of Independence that it was an infringement on their rights.
Because they make no effort to learn english. If you're going to move into a new country, you should at least try to learn ONE of the two dominant languages (english or french in this case). they don't, and that's the issue. Yes, they're hard workers, but at the same time, you can't communicate with them.
The British taking the native american's land was also unjust, but the fact is, in this world, the ones who win the wars dictate the rules. Would you say that any wars were unjust? any invasions? They shape the world into what it is today.
Well, the Roman way could be utilized and force them to learn the language or be killed. >_> Many people are incapable of learning a new language in their early years, or at the least it's
very difficult. If I were to go to Germany, it would be near impossible for me to learn the language because I am not suited to learning language.
My point is, history is repeating itself again. Every major civilization in the world, excluding Egypt, has collapsed, and what the United States and did to the Native Americans is occuring again to the US. The Spanish take from Mesoamericans, the Mexicans overthrow Spanish, US overthrows Mexicans...
and I agree. eventually, every superpower falls (Egypt did fall, but, yeah. that's a completely different issue.)
I know some kids that have been here for 6 years. they have made no attempt to learn english, and resultingly haven't. we have a great ESL program here, and many immigrants use it to learn English, but there are alot (again, mainly kids) that are just too slack to do it. then they complain about not fitting in, when it's their fault for not putting in the effort to do so.
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 06:45:59 PM
and I agree. eventually, every superpower falls (Egypt did fall, but, yeah. that's a completely different issue.)
I know some kids that have been here for 6 years. they have made no attempt to learn english, and resultingly haven't. we have a great ESL program here, and many immigrants use it to learn English, but there are alot (again, mainly kids) that are just too slack to do it. then they complain about not fitting in, when it's their fault for not putting in the effort to do so.
Maybe it's different there, but here the kids do take the initiative to learn English, and many of us try to learn Spanish. (I live in Texas, BTW) Well, nothing can be done, I just wish people would stop treating them as... "inferior beings", so to speak. That's why Mithos is my avatar. XD
Concerning Egypt, my bad. Egypt is the oldest existing civilization, as the other two primal civilizations (Mesoamerica & Mesopotamia) have fallen.
Quote from: NINNIN6 on November 17, 2007, 06:55:12 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 06:45:59 PM
and I agree. eventually, every superpower falls (Egypt did fall, but, yeah. that's a completely different issue.)
I know some kids that have been here for 6 years. they have made no attempt to learn english, and resultingly haven't. we have a great ESL program here, and many immigrants use it to learn English, but there are alot (again, mainly kids) that are just too slack to do it. then they complain about not fitting in, when it's their fault for not putting in the effort to do so.
Maybe it's different there, but here the kids do take the initiative to learn English, and many of us try to learn Spanish. (I live in Texas, BTW) Well, nothing can be done, I just wish people would stop treating them as... "inferior beings", so to speak. That's why Mithos is my avatar. XD
Concerning Egypt, my bad. Egypt is the oldest existing civilization, as the other two primal civilizations (Mesoamerica & Mesopotamia) have fallen.
The thing is, they're not treated as inferiors, they're just not treated as anything. they're ignored, because they only speak to other german immigrants, because they're the only ones that speak the same language as themselves. It's just that our schools are already overflowing, and we can't expand (we get no money from the opposing provincial government), so we cannot expand our schools, and though the parents contribute to the populace, the influx of immigrant children makes it very tough on the schools.
Also,
Lol, Atlantis. >_>
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 06:59:35 PM
Quote from: NINNIN6 on November 17, 2007, 06:55:12 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 06:45:59 PM
and I agree. eventually, every superpower falls (Egypt did fall, but, yeah. that's a completely different issue.)
I know some kids that have been here for 6 years. they have made no attempt to learn english, and resultingly haven't. we have a great ESL program here, and many immigrants use it to learn English, but there are alot (again, mainly kids) that are just too slack to do it. then they complain about not fitting in, when it's their fault for not putting in the effort to do so.
Maybe it's different there, but here the kids do take the initiative to learn English, and many of us try to learn Spanish. (I live in Texas, BTW) Well, nothing can be done, I just wish people would stop treating them as... "inferior beings", so to speak. That's why Mithos is my avatar. XD
Concerning Egypt, my bad. Egypt is the oldest existing civilization, as the other two primal civilizations (Mesoamerica & Mesopotamia) have fallen.
The thing is, they're not treated as inferiors, they're just not treated as anything. they're ignored, because they only speak to other german immigrants, because they're the only ones that speak the same language as themselves. It's just that our schools are already overflowing, and we can't expand (we get no money from the opposing provincial government), so we cannot expand our schools, and though the parents contribute to the populace, the influx of immigrant children makes it very tough on the schools.
Also,
Lol, Atlantis. >_>
Like you said earlier, the situations between our areas are different. Where I live, some places refuse serivice to all Hispanics unless they prove they are legal, and it's not right. Heck, anything remotely homosexual was considered criminal in Texas until 2003, and the same stance is being taken with immigrants. Wiki the Farmer's Branch protests and you'll know what I mean.
Atlantis, wut?
*Are you a believer?* >>
I believe in the possibility of there having been an Atlantis, and that it was based around Antarctica (as there are no sunken continents anywhere).
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 07:08:46 PM
I believe in the possibility of there having been an Atlantis, and that it was based around Antarctica (as there are no sunken continents anywhere).
^_^ So do I. The Artic was at some point tropical, so its not unreasonable to assume the same went for Antartica. Where there is oil, there was life.
Yall better quit talking bad about my people :|
We come here because in our home country its nearly impossible to get a job :|
Quote from: Ludwig3 on November 17, 2007, 07:46:12 PM
Yall better quit talking bad about my people :|
We come here because in our home country its nearly impossible to get a job :|
that's why you should apply for immigration, not just jump in while someone's looking the other way.
it's the same thing as going into someone's house. you don't just barge in, you ask them if you can visit first.
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 07:50:24 PM
Quote from: Ludwig3 on November 17, 2007, 07:46:12 PM
Yall better quit talking bad about my people :|
We come here because in our home country its nearly impossible to get a job :|
that's why you should apply for immigration, not just jump in while someone's looking the other way.
it's the same thing as going into someone's house. you don't just barge in, you ask them if you can visit first.
people who ask for immigration usually get denied, you have little to no chance when you
apply.
Quote from: Ludwig3 on November 17, 2007, 07:52:49 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 07:50:24 PM
Quote from: Ludwig3 on November 17, 2007, 07:46:12 PM
Yall better quit talking bad about my people :|
We come here because in our home country its nearly impossible to get a job :|
that's why you should apply for immigration, not just jump in while someone's looking the other way.
it's the same thing as going into someone's house. you don't just barge in, you ask them if you can visit first.
people who ask for immigration usually get denied, you have little to no chance when you
apply.
that's why you should keep trying, i suppose.
but I just don't like the idea of people flooding into somewhere that isn't theirs, you know. it's a lose-lose situation for everyone. the illegal immigrants break the law by entering the country. then people who worked to get where they are are replaced by a larger number of illegal immigrants. illegal immigrants are hired in large amounts to do slaughterhouse jobs, where injuries are widespread. they get sick, can't get help from the government (or else they'll be deported), and end up dead or disabled.
I just hate the idea of it, is all. the concept would be good if there was the space for immigrants, but frankly, there isn't.
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 07:55:56 PM
Quote from: Ludwig3 on November 17, 2007, 07:52:49 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on November 17, 2007, 07:50:24 PM
Quote from: Ludwig3 on November 17, 2007, 07:46:12 PM
Yall better quit talking bad about my people :|
We come here because in our home country its nearly impossible to get a job :|
that's why you should apply for immigration, not just jump in while someone's looking the other way.
it's the same thing as going into someone's house. you don't just barge in, you ask them if you can visit first.
people who ask for immigration usually get denied, you have little to no chance when you
apply.
that's why you should keep trying, i suppose.
but I just don't like the idea of people flooding into somewhere that isn't theirs, you know. it's a lose-lose situation for everyone. the illegal immigrants break the law by entering the country. then people who worked to get where they are are replaced by a larger number of illegal immigrants. illegal immigrants are hired in large amounts to do slaughterhouse jobs, where injuries are widespread. they get sick, can't get help from the government (or else they'll be deported), and end up dead or disabled.
I just hate the idea of it, is all. the concept would be good if there was the space for immigrants, but frankly, there isn't.
yeah i can see how we taking your job annoys you, but we really need the job so we can help our families in our countries,
thats basically why most of us come here for.
It's the Mexican Government's fault for tacitly encouraging this. Notice that they don't give a poop about their workforce escaping en masse from their country. Because they actually benefit from it. So they don't give a poop about really improving their own land.
Quote from: blue_slime on November 17, 2007, 08:10:32 PM
It's the Mexican Government's fault for tacitly encouraging this. Notice that they don't give a poop about their workforce escaping en masse from their country. Because they actually benefit from it. So they don't give a poop about really improving their own land.
OMG at least someone understands
Quote from: Ludwig3 on November 17, 2007, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: blue_slime on November 17, 2007, 08:10:32 PM
It's the Mexican Government's fault for tacitly encouraging this. Notice that they don't give a poop about their workforce escaping en masse from their country. Because they actually benefit from it. So they don't give a poop about really improving their own land.
OMG at least someone understands
It's like they don't even try.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on November 17, 2007, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Ludwig3 on November 17, 2007, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: blue_slime on November 17, 2007, 08:10:32 PM
It's the Mexican Government's fault for tacitly encouraging this. Notice that they don't give a s*** about their workforce escaping en masse from their country. Because they actually benefit from it. So they don't give a s*** about really improving their own land.
OMG at least someone understands
It's like they don't even try.
Why would they? Having more people in their country means more people to support, more resources they need to spend on infrastructure. Why do all that if they can just do the bare minimum and just let the country go to the poopters, have all their able-bodied people migrate to the US, and get free untaxed money pumped back into the country to support the remaining population?
Quote from: blue_slime on November 17, 2007, 08:20:08 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on November 17, 2007, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Ludwig3 on November 17, 2007, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: blue_slime on November 17, 2007, 08:10:32 PM
It's the Mexican Government's fault for tacitly encouraging this. Notice that they don't give a s*** about their workforce escaping en masse from their country. Because they actually benefit from it. So they don't give a s*** about really improving their own land.
OMG at least someone understands
It's like they don't even try.
Why would they? Having more people in their country means more people to support, more resources they need to spend on infrastructure. Why do all that if they can just do the bare minimum and just let the country go to the poopters, have all their able-bodied people migrate to the US, and get free untaxed money pumped back into the country to support the remaining population?
really the whole government is corrupt
Quote from: Ludwig3 on November 17, 2007, 08:25:12 PM
Quote from: blue_slime on November 17, 2007, 08:20:08 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on November 17, 2007, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Ludwig3 on November 17, 2007, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: blue_slime on November 17, 2007, 08:10:32 PM
It's the Mexican Government's fault for tacitly encouraging this. Notice that they don't give a s*** about their workforce escaping en masse from their country. Because they actually benefit from it. So they don't give a s*** about really improving their own land.
OMG at least someone understands
It's like they don't even try.
Why would they? Having more people in their country means more people to support, more resources they need to spend on infrastructure. Why do all that if they can just do the bare minimum and just let the country go to the s***ters, have all their able-bodied people migrate to the US, and get free untaxed money pumped back into the country to support the remaining population?
really the whole government is corrupt
Yeah exactly. People tend to spin this all about something about the cause of the poor, but it's not really about that at all.
The US government has its share to blame on all this because they let this happen without retribution, and the American people and the media also are to blame because they play on the politicians' fears.
The people here care so much about about the welfare of migrants (which is a good thing, don't get me wrong), who are almost worthless in the countries that they're from, that they don't even see the invisible hand and the long term damages it's causing. The Mexican government knows that and is taking advantage of us and will continue to do so as long as we are prey to kindness.
Quote from: blue_slime on November 17, 2007, 08:34:00 PM
Quote from: Ludwig3 on November 17, 2007, 08:25:12 PM
Quote from: blue_slime on November 17, 2007, 08:20:08 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on November 17, 2007, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Ludwig3 on November 17, 2007, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: blue_slime on November 17, 2007, 08:10:32 PM
It's the Mexican Government's fault for tacitly encouraging this. Notice that they don't give a s*** about their workforce escaping en masse from their country. Because they actually benefit from it. So they don't give a s*** about really improving their own land.
OMG at least someone understands
It's like they don't even try.
Why would they? Having more people in their country means more people to support, more resources they need to spend on infrastructure. Why do all that if they can just do the bare minimum and just let the country go to the s***ters, have all their able-bodied people migrate to the US, and get free untaxed money pumped back into the country to support the remaining population?
really the whole government is corrupt
Yeah exactly. People tend to spin this all about something about the cause of the poor, but it's not really about that at all.
The US government has its share to blame on all this because they let this happen without retribution, and the American people and the media also are to blame because they play on the politicians' fears.
The people here care so much about about the welfare of migrants (which is a good thing, don't get me wrong), who are almost worthless in the countries that they're from, that they don't even see the invisible hand and the long term damages it's causing. The Mexican government knows that and is taking advantage of us and will continue to do so as long as we are prey to kindness.
Oh because we've never taken advantage of the Mexican government before ^______________________________^
Can anyone say NAFTA?
Quote from: Ludwig3 on November 17, 2007, 07:46:12 PM
Yall better quit talking bad about my people :|
We come here because in our home country its nearly impossible to get a job :|
And that justifies breaking the law and being a drain on the economy?
Because we share a border with mexico and we get all of em comin over here. So my state is happy to share it with the others :P.