Why are so many people against paying for online in games?

[Jono2]

1. you can play people across the world.Ok, I can do that with any online.
2. leaderboards, meaning that you'll always be playing people around your skill level.I don't give a crap, I just wanna play online.
3. voice chatI can do that with most other services for free.
4. downloadable content Most other services allow downloadable content for free. Plus, most expansions cost. For example, the tracks for GH and RB. The extended gameplay for some games, new levels.
5. an account system Isn't that included with the freaking console?
6. small amounts of lag.That has absolutely nothing to do with the service.
7. competitiveness Ok...I don't even have to try on this one. Blatant obviousness.
8. good games with good online That is biased. That can be on any system anywhere.
9. better than the competition has to offer. Opinion. Your reliability is almost gone.
10. you can always find a game to play, no matter what time of the day. K, but only if there are people playing that game.
11. customizable gametypes That's included in just about any online game nowadays.
12. easy to block people you don't like Included in most other services. FOR FREE.
13. easy to add people that you do Refer to comment above.
14. easy to set up a match and get going quickly Once again, it depends on the game and the user.


Reply to the bottom comment in bold: Even if the Wii's online does suck, it still lets me do what online gaming is all about. PLAY OTHER PEOPLE FOR FREE. No cost, no strings, no blatant ripoffs.

And besides, that wasn't even what I was talking about. >_>

AGHHH YOU MAKE IT SO HARD TO COUNTER-POST WITH THE WAY YOU RESPOND!!!

STOP ITTTTT

1.  No, you can't.  with Wi-Fi, there's always tons of lag when you play against people in countries far away.
2.  Leaderboards = you're always playing against someone your own skill level.  why is that a bad thing?  playing randomly chosen matches means that you'll either get your ass kicked, or play a game where you're destroying everyone.  Very rarely will you come upon a match where you have someone of your equal skill level.  This is why leaderboards/ranking systems matter.
3.  Not Nintendo's, and it won't happen.
4.  nintendo isn't offering DLC for brawl.
5.  Yes, an account system is included with the console, but you can't use it unless you're online, and there's no real account system for the Wii that you can easily get tech support from.
6.  Microsoft's online system has very little lag.  Wi-Fi has tons of it.
7.  Yeah, this was a stupid point.  Links in with leaderboards.  but again, if you don't have a ranking system, you're not going to be playing even matches.
8.  Everything is biased, my good sir.  Nintendo has awful online, and that's a unanimously accepted opinion.  the 360 has tons of great games with incredible online systems.  You know how everyone was excited that brawl would have Co-Op SSE?  on the 360, that would be one of the first features they would put in, and it would be a huge surprise if it wouldn't be in the game.  you know this.  It's a high quality service, and from a high quality servies comes a company that goes the extra mile to please the consumer.  Microsoft does what Nintendon't.
9.  How is Xbox live not better than the Wii's online?
10.  There are nearly always people playing "that game".  That's why the system works, because it's so populous, partly due to the fact that the online service was bundled in with the console at launch.  Don't know if it still is though.
11.  Not Wii games.
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14.  It doesn't really depend on the game.  Microsoft makes it easy to do these sorts of things, and most of the Xbox live games I've played are easy to set up in seconds.


Also, account security.


I was arguing that Nintendo's system sucks, and as a result, Xbox Live is infinitely better.  There's no way that the Wii's system is any better than Xbox Live.  I wasn't trying to argue that Xbox Live was the be-all-and-end-all, but yes, it's better than alot of what's out there, albeit horribly overpriced.

[LinkXLR]

1. you can play people across the world.Ok, I can do that with any online.
2. leaderboards, meaning that you'll always be playing people around your skill level.I don't give a crap, I just wanna play online.
3. voice chatI can do that with most other services for free.
4. downloadable content Most other services allow downloadable content for free. Plus, most expansions cost. For example, the tracks for GH and RB. The extended gameplay for some games, new levels.
5. an account system Isn't that included with the freaking console?
6. small amounts of lag.That has absolutely nothing to do with the service.
7. competitiveness Ok...I don't even have to try on this one. Blatant obviousness.
8. good games with good online That is biased. That can be on any system anywhere.
9. better than the competition has to offer. Opinion. Your reliability is almost gone.
10. you can always find a game to play, no matter what time of the day. K, but only if there are people playing that game.
11. customizable gametypes That's included in just about any online game nowadays.
12. easy to block people you don't like Included in most other services. FOR FREE.
13. easy to add people that you do Refer to comment above.
14. easy to set up a match and get going quickly Once again, it depends on the game and the user.


Reply to the bottom comment in bold: Even if the Wii's online does suck, it still lets me do what online gaming is all about. PLAY OTHER PEOPLE FOR FREE. No cost, no strings, no blatant ripoffs.

And besides, that wasn't even what I was talking about. >_>

AGHHH YOU MAKE IT SO HARD TO COUNTER-POST WITH THE WAY YOU RESPOND!!!

STOP ITTTTT

1.  No, you can't.  with Wi-Fi, there's always tons of lag when you play against people in countries far away.Prove it. I've never had imense amounts of lag using other online systems. And once again, it's not the service, IT'S THE INTERNET CONNECTION!!!!
2.  Leaderboards = you're always playing against someone your own skill level.  why is that a bad thing?  playing randomly chosen matches means that you'll either get your ass kicked, or play a game where you're destroying everyone.  Very rarely will you come upon a match where you have someone of your equal skill level.  This is why leaderboards/ranking systems matter.But what if I want to kill a noob fast or just want to play a bunch of people with different ranks?
3.  Not Nintendo's, and it won't happen.What does that have to do with anything I said?
4.  nintendo isn't offering DLC for brawl....I care? There's already a crapload coming with the game, I think I'll hold off fine.
5.  Yes, an account system is included with the console, but you can't use it unless you're online, and there's no real account system for the Wii that you can easily get tech support from. Mmmmk...but don't you make an account for every online game once you enter Wi-Fi?
6.  Microsoft's online system has very little lag.  Wi-Fi has tons of it.IT'S THE FREAKING CONNECTION!!!!!!! NOT THE STUPID LABEL THAT THE COMPANY PUTS ON IT!!!!! GRAHIDFIAGOHDSFHDEFGO!!!!!!!! HOW MANY TIMES TO DO I HAVE TO SAY IT?!!?
7.  Yeah, this was a stupid point.  Links in with leaderboards.  but again, if you don't have a ranking system, you're not going to be playing even matches. Well, good for you. I could care less.
8.  Everything is biased, my good sir.  Nintendo has awful online, and that's a unanimously accepted opinion.  the 360 has tons of great games with incredible online systems.  You know how everyone was excited that brawl would have Co-Op SSE?  on the 360, that would be one of the first features they would put in, and it would be a huge surprise if it wouldn't be in the game.  you know this.  It's a high quality service, and from a high quality servies comes a company that goes the extra mile to please the consumer.  Microsoft does what Nintendon't. I lol'd. Bias overload.
9.  How is Xbox live not better than the Wii's online? It offers more features, I admit this much, but all I want to do is play games online. The Wii and PC do that just fine for me without costing me a cent.
10.  There are nearly always people playing "that game".  That's why the system works, because it's so populous, partly due to the fact that the online service was bundled in with the console at launch.  Don't know if it still is though. Such as the overrated pile of Garbage called Halo 3?  ::)
11.  Not Wii games.Prove it. Play every Wi-Fi connection title on Wii and tell that to my face.
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14.  It doesn't really depend on the game.  Microsoft makes it easy to do these sorts of things, and most of the Xbox live games I've played are easy to set up in seconds.


Also, account security.


I was arguing that Nintendo's system sucks, and as a result, Xbox Live is infinitely better.  There's no way that the Wii's system is any better than Xbox Live.  I wasn't trying to argue that Xbox Live was the be-all-and-end-all, but yes, it's better than alot of what's out there, albeit horribly overpriced.

You can believe what you want, but this is only 1 opinion in the sea of trillions of them.

[Jono2]

Such as the overrated pile of Garbage called Halo 3?

why didn't you tell me you were a complete sheep earlier?  I could have just dismissed your opinion and we wouldn't have had this argument.

[The Kid]

Eh, I'm not that Wii desperate. But, then again...meh. :-\

[blue_slime]

X-box live is worth paying for because it's a good dang online system.

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I will ask this: what do you think Xbox Live is worth paying for?  Is it worth the cost because it allows you to connect to other people across the internet to play games?  Don't you already pay for internet service to do exactly that?  Didn't you already pay for the system that has the capability to connect to the internet built in?  And didn't you already pay for the games that have networking code already programmed?  Or do you think that Xbox Live is worth paying for just to have a user name and keep track of s***?  LOL.

because:

1. you can play people across the world.
2. leaderboards, meaning that you'll always be playing people around your skill level.
3. voice chat
4. downloadable content
5. an account system
6. small amounts of lag.
7. competitiveness
8. good games with good online
9. better than the competition has to offer.
10. you can always find a game to play, no matter what time of the day.
11. customizable gametypes
12. easy to block people you don't like
13. easy to add people that you do
14. easy to set up a match and get going quickly

I don't know about the PS3's online system, because I've frankly never used it.  Yes, I know that PC online capabilities in general destroy Xbox Live, and that it IS overpriced, but at the same time, it kicks the wii's online system to the ground, impales it through the throat, and runs it's head over with a lawnmower.

I don't know if you understood what I posted.  Basically, everything you listed there is largely a part of something that should be a one-time payment at best, if it should cost anything at all because it's basically worth little or it's something you already payed for.  And many you listed are not "services" that MS offers with Xbox Live, but are inherent to peer-to-peer gaming networks.

The reason why NWFC is so gimped is not because Nintendo can't afford to implement them, but because they are like an overprotective parent and don't want to implement them by principle.  And this is pretty evident in Sakurai's interview.

It's your discretion if you prefer spending $50 a year to download demos, to say, buying one more full game.  I'm not gonna argue with that, because that is up to your tastes.  But what you're actually spending the $50/year on is for MS to maintain a server that basically is limited to handling queries, storing user data, and having an online shop.  Pretty much every company and website in existence would see that as part of operating cost.  It's baffling why MS would be so bold to force everyone to pay for such a negligible cost, especially considering their size.  I bet they're making good money too on this scam of an online tollbooth.

[Jono2]

I don't know if you understood what I posted.  Basically, everything you listed there is largely a part of something that should be a one-time payment at best, if it should cost anything at all because it's basically worth little or it's something you already payed for.  And many you listed are not "services" that MS offers with Xbox Live, but are inherent to peer-to-peer gaming networks.


which is why it is so sad that nintendo doesn't have the vast majority of the things I listed.  I agree, Xbox live is hideously overpriced, but at the same time, you do get the best online system.

[Tupin]

There's also Call of Duty 4.

Which is thousands of times better than Halo 3.

[blue_slime]

I don't know if you understood what I posted.  Basically, everything you listed there is largely a part of something that should be a one-time payment at best, if it should cost anything at all because it's basically worth little or it's something you already payed for.  And many you listed are not "services" that MS offers with Xbox Live, but are inherent to peer-to-peer gaming networks.


which is why it is so sad that nintendo doesn't have the vast majority of the things I listed.  I agree, Xbox live is hideously overpriced, but at the same time, you do get the best online system.

Well, I'm guessing that if Nintendo's online community strategy is to have everyone be an anonymous entity of a faceless and voiceless legion, then everything they have done so far in terms of online gaming is consistent with their philosophy.

Also, I think the only reason why people do not mind paying for XBL is that it's the only way that you can play 360 games online.  The reason why MS can get away with this is because the cost is somewhat nominal and that there are more games with online play compared to the current competition.  If you bought some games and found out that you've been locked out of an important aspect of those games, I think most people wouldn't mind spending an additional $50 to access them for a year just so that they can get the most out of the purchase and don't feel cheated.  It's a sleazy thing though.

[The Seventh]

Pretty sure it's because most people are too cheap to actually pay.

Cheap? Sir you offend me. The correct term is "Miser".

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Well, I'm against paying for online play and I'm not cheap.  I see it as 1. unnecessary, and 2. If we have to pay, there's a chance my parents won't let me use the internet in the first place.

[Tupin]

Do you people realize you are paying for online service for what you are doing right now? ::)

[The Seventh]

Do you people realize you are paying for online service for what you are doing right now? ::)

It's not my reasoning, it's my parents >:( .  They don't mind paying for internet service they'll DEFINITELY use, but mind paying for a service that I will only use.  It's stupid.  And I can't pay for it becuase I don't have a job yet >:(

Sorry, but talking about makes me fume.  And I have a short temper, too.

[Friendly Hostile]

Do you people realize you are paying for online service for what you are doing right now? ::)

Having internet access =/= getting to play games I already payed for online.

To be able to play games online, you have to have an internet connection...so basically you're paying to connect to the internet twice:  Once to have internet, and then again to play online through that internet.  Which I think is pointless and stupid process.  Hence I don't play any games that require monthly or annual fees to play.  I think the concept is stupid and a waste of my money. 

On the other hand, I see a point in paying for internet access:  I can then basically have free range on the internet, playing whatever games I want, downloading what I want, uploading what I want, going where I want.  I don't have to pay additional fees to use certain aspects of the internet like I would for most online games.  And that is where the difference between the two lies.  Online gaming you are paying for limited internet access on top of your current internet bill, while the internet connection you pay for to get access and then have unrestricted internet.