Why the hell does everyone use Ike.

[Kilroy]

Firstoff, if you still think he's cheap, there's a differense between a character being cheap, and you playing people who are really good with him.

Sorry, I stated that wrong. He's a beginner character. Cheap, Beginner character, same thing, generally. If I can get beat by someone that has NEVER played as Ike, nor even Smash Bros., before, me playing as one of my best characters, there's a problem.

Take, for example, my cousin.

He uses Wolf. A LOT. Once he gets me in the air, I'm not coming back down. Why? For whatever reason, Wolf's aerial attacks are either faster or have a wider range than ANY of Ike's attacks. Aether may be able to get me down SOMETIMES, but the midair lag is long enough for him to finish me off. Wolf's blaster cancels Ike's B+Side charge, and prevents him from running straight up to him, then Wolf, being faster, can run up and slice at him. In other words, if you really want to beat Ike, Wolf is probably one of the best characters to use.

Well, gee, I guess I'll have to put this in a spoiler box.

[spoiler]HOLY SHIT DID U KNO TAHT ALL DA STAR FOX CHARS ARE MEANT FOR AIR ATTACKS???//////????/!111!!??[/spoiler]

In other words, Fox, Falco, and Wolf are meant to keep people up in the air, and kill them IN the air.


If you're going to blame my skill, I can beat my cousin using ANY of my mains, and beat him no matter who he uses (Unless it's Ike vs. Wolf). For the heck of it, he used Ike, and has only used him once to play through Classic, and let me tell you, Ike SUCKS with beginners. Firstoff, most who use his blocks end up getting hit. Hard. If your opponent isn't readable, then you're most likely going to get the timing off. This means that all you have to do is do something unpredictable, like rolling.

Rolling. Ike's biggest weakness. It dodges most of his attacks, and normally, you can hit him in the back due to his lag. Yes, it is a bit risky, but isn't that what the game is about?

HAY GUYZ ANOTHER SPOILER

[spoiler]GUYZ

WHEN IKE ATTACKS

MOAR THAN LIKELY

HE'LL SWING HIS SWORD BEHIND HIM 2

LIEK OMG[/spoiler]

The bottom line is, you're either fighting extremely good Ikes, or you just don't have the skills that are needed to beat an Ike. I'm not insulting your ability there, it's just you need to get rolling down pat if you want to completely destroy Ike. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO ROLL TO BEAT HIM.

Read above -_-

I'm done.  :P

I'm not.

[Tupin]

All I care about is that Ike can own all.

Some characters are cheap. Get used to it.

[WiinolikePS3]

You know, your main argument is still that you simply lack the skills needed to beat Ike.  :|

Just because you can't beat him doesn't mean he's overall cheap.

[Kilroy]

All I care about is that Ike can own all.

Some characters are cheap. Get used to it.

It pisses me off that people either DO get that Ike is cheap, and use him anyway, or that they don't understand what's wrong with Ike.

[Tupin]

All I care about is that Ike can own all.

Some characters are cheap. Get used to it.

It pisses me off that people either DO get that Ike is cheap, and use him anyway, or that they don't understand what's wrong with Ike.

If you think he is cheap, develop strategies against him.

And Ike isn't as bad as he could be. He could have a projectile.

[Avion-Finch]

All I care about is that Ike can own all.

Some characters are cheap. Get used to it.

It pisses me off that people either DO get that Ike is cheap, and use him anyway, or that they don't understand what's wrong with Ike.

If you think he is cheap, develop strategies against him.

And Ike isn't as bad as he could be. He could have a projectile.

And he technically could(he has a ranged, energy wave attack)

[WiinolikePS3]

All I care about is that Ike can own all.

Some characters are cheap. Get used to it.

It pisses me off that people either DO get that Ike is cheap, and use him anyway, or that they don't understand what's wrong with Ike.

I used Ike long before I realized he is semi-cheap, like [spoiler]Wolf,[/spoiler] and some others which I really don't want to bring in right now.

The point is, EVERY character has advantages, like Ike, but it doesn't mean he's cheap and unbeatable, ESPECIALLY in close-combat 4 player free for all matches on wifi.

Random wifi matches= DEAD IKE. On small stages, the fighting is so hectic that only Aether ever hits a target. His faster and stronger attacks are simply far too slow to keep up with the other players.

The point is, there are certain characters that can downright destroy Ike. Next time you fight Ike (In a NON random Match), if you really did think that it was totally unfair that they are using what you consider to be an extremely cheap character, use one of the characters that Ike simply sucks against. [spoiler]Wolf/Falco/Fox[/spoiler] and probably a few others, but I haven't exactly done everything in my power to find out how to kill Ike, so...  :-\

[HTA!]

We can play whoever the f*** we want. We don't care if you think Ike sucks, we'll still play him.

No one b***ed when everyone used Falco in Melee.

Falco wasn't broken, first of all. He was strong and slow, enough. Ike is STRONGER and FASTER than Melee's Falco.

I b***ed whenever someone used Roy because HE was broken.

And also, a simple A combo with Ike can send someone flying at 60%, happened to me yesterday at my friend's house.

And also

He's way more powerful than King Dedede

Yeah, he's also FASTER than Dedede.

I think it's a problem when Character A is simply better than Character B, making whoever plays as Character B have an EXTREMELY hard time winning, not because whoever plays as character A is BETTER, he's using an ALL-AROUND BETTER CHARACTER. How can every character be beaten by every character if there's a character that can out-power powerhouses?

This is ALSO the problem with Kirby, somewhat -_-

Roy?
Broken?





HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Roy is the opposite of broken.

Marth was much more overpowered in Melee.
EVERY SINGLE ONE of Marths moves was better than Roy's, both in speed, use, damage etc.

Only Roy's charged phir3 blade was better, and if you fell for that you were an idiot.

A Combo, Counter, uncharged smash, all do more damage for Roy than they do for Marth -_-

Counter is far too chort.
A combo is easily dodged due to knockback.
Tipper.

Counter works on any move, including something like Luigi's Green Missle, or an A Combo, therefore, counter only can be "countered" if the person is using projectiles, since counter comes out EXTREMELY FAST, but then takes about 5 seconds to end (which is the only set-back I can see with Roy).

A Combo (When I say "A Combo", btw, I don't mean "One Combo", I mean "A-Button Combo", in case someone didn't get that)  will work almost EVERY time on ANYONE near Roy OR Ike (Moreso the latter, since he has an actual Combo, rather than two swipes).

What the hell is Tipper?

1. Roy has the more powerful counter, but its window of success is drastically short than Marth's.
So the damage becomes negligible

2. His Standard Combo is fine, but worhtless as it isnt a true "combo" like Ike's.

3. The tip of Marth's sword does more damage than the middle.
Hence tipper. It has more power and more knock back than any of Roy's smashes, except maybe the D-Smash since the tipper doesnt work there. But again, Marth's longer reach helps..

[Red]

Way to ignore mine. Here it is if you want to do something, or you can just ignore it again.

           Even though I personally main Ike, he does have some major flaws. His lag time is unbearable in most cases. Especially in a game where if you miss, you get juggled or KOed. This tends to happen when the person you are playing is fairly experienced. Ike is too fast for his power? I'd beg to differ. Try using Ike against someone like Dawei. Chances are you'd get you ass kicked.
           Ike is a beginner  character? Yes, because beginners only play against level 1 computer who is actually stupid enough to stand and wait for you to charge up and unleash it upon them. He's too strong for his speed? There is a BIG difference between running speed and attack speed. He can KO somebody at a low percentage? Yes, yes he can. But he is certainly not too fast for that kind of power. As I said before, There is a big difference between running and attack speed. Running speed is how fast you run, attack speed is how fast your attacks pull off. Ike's is extremely slow. So let me get back to my point. He is strong, but YOU HAVE TO LAND AN ATTACK FOR IT TO DO ANYTHING. Using simple techniques such as dodge rolling, I was able to beat a level 9 Ike USING BOWSER. I don't even main Bowser.
            I can say from personal experience, that Ike is not as great as you claim him to be.

[Zora Link]

I totally don't own as Ike. :O
I'm only decent.

:P

[Kilroy]

We can play whoever the f*** we want. We don't care if you think Ike sucks, we'll still play him.

No one b***ed when everyone used Falco in Melee.

Falco wasn't broken, first of all. He was strong and slow, enough. Ike is STRONGER and FASTER than Melee's Falco.

I b***ed whenever someone used Roy because HE was broken.

And also, a simple A combo with Ike can send someone flying at 60%, happened to me yesterday at my friend's house.

And also

He's way more powerful than King Dedede

Yeah, he's also FASTER than Dedede.

I think it's a problem when Character A is simply better than Character B, making whoever plays as Character B have an EXTREMELY hard time winning, not because whoever plays as character A is BETTER, he's using an ALL-AROUND BETTER CHARACTER. How can every character be beaten by every character if there's a character that can out-power powerhouses?

This is ALSO the problem with Kirby, somewhat -_-

Roy?
Broken?





HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Roy is the opposite of broken.

Marth was much more overpowered in Melee.
EVERY SINGLE ONE of Marths moves was better than Roy's, both in speed, use, damage etc.

Only Roy's charged phir3 blade was better, and if you fell for that you were an idiot.

A Combo, Counter, uncharged smash, all do more damage for Roy than they do for Marth -_-

Counter is far too chort.
A combo is easily dodged due to knockback.
Tipper.

Counter works on any move, including something like Luigi's Green Missle, or an A Combo, therefore, counter only can be "countered" if the person is using projectiles, since counter comes out EXTREMELY FAST, but then takes about 5 seconds to end (which is the only set-back I can see with Roy).

A Combo (When I say "A Combo", btw, I don't mean "One Combo", I mean "A-Button Combo", in case someone didn't get that)  will work almost EVERY time on ANYONE near Roy OR Ike (Moreso the latter, since he has an actual Combo, rather than two swipes).

What the hell is Tipper?

1. Roy has the more powerful counter, but its window of success is drastically short than Marth's.
So the damage becomes negligible Either way, Roy's counter can KO someone at around 60% if they're doing a Standard A Combo. It's happened to me countless times with Luigi.

2. His Standard Combo is fine, but worhtless as it isnt a true "combo" like Ike's. Roy's combo isn't that strong, I should have never mentioned his name there. Ike's, however, is totally overpowered, and has a gigantic range for what he actually does.

3. The tip of Marth's sword does more damage than the middle.
Hence tipper. It has more power and more knock back than any of Roy's smashes, except maybe the D-Smash since the tipper doesnt work there. But again, Marth's longer reach helps.. HAY GUYZ SPOILERZ

[spoiler]IF YOU TOUCH THE MIDDLE OF ROY'S SWORD, YOU GO FLYING. READ THE TROPHY ^_^

Answered.

also, RedSox, I've already answered all of your answers to my complaints, not directly answered TO YOU, but if you actually, you know, read the thread, you'd understand that your opinion has been stated numerous times.

[BOSSNIG]

Because he has hot ass n' tits

Oh wait....

[Mutilator7]

I think ike is slow and takes a long time to get a move in, but when he does it is ery powerful, 30% damage for an uncharged smash

[Shujinco2]

LOL, if ANYTHING, MARTH was the super quick, super cheap character!

And that laws of Smash state: Speed > Power


And what's wrong with a character having more of an advantage anyway? Besides, he's not IMMORTAL! He CAN be beaten! Even the best Ike player in the world currently could be beaten by another character! All you have to do is know the other character's strong and weak points!

[Triforceman22]

Trust me,[spoiler] Lucario, Wolf, and Marth[/spoiler] are WAAAAAAAAAY cheaper than Ike.

Ike actually isn't that cheap....
does he have a tipper too?
or is it like roy's?
I can't tell....

all his attacks are like the slowest in the game...

even [spoiler]Ganondorf[/spoiler] is quicker...
so stop complaining.
You need real skill to use ike efficientley.