I need someone to argue for me

[mario59]

I would like to argue that, thugh mother brain would, be impossible to play as, some people think of her as more important.

[Cornwad]

I would like to argue that, thugh mother brain would, be impossible to play as, some people think of her as more important.

Its a brain in a jar that causes the planet in Metroid to explode. She has never had a trophy or anything other than a sticker in past Smash games. She has only been in Metroid, Super Metroid, and Metroid 0. But she did appear in Captain N, I suppose.

Ridley however has been in every Metroid game except II, Prime 2, and Hunters. He has had three different trophies in past Smash games and has appeared as two bosses and as a character in Melees opening (with two songs :P). He also killed Samus' parents right in front of her and started both Metroids III and Prime.

I'd say that while Mother Brain is very important to Metroid (more so than the hunters), Ridley is  the main villain of the series ;D
Mother Brain= Medusa, Ridley= Eggplant Wizard :D

[mario59]

Cannot do anything other than say, i guess important is not the right word. *Sharp intake of breath* "Famous"?

[Cornwad]

Cannot do anything other than say, i guess important is not the right word. *Sharp intake of breath* "Famous"?

I guess it could go either way with that. I would not expect anyone who has only played the Prime games to know who MB is.... but everyone who played the original Metroid or Super Metroid would.

But then again, all of those people would know who Ridley is too :D
Eh... I still think Ridley is the most important non-Samus Metroid character...
Except for U-mos :O

[mario59]

U-mos

??

[Java]

Sakurai just hates Ridley:  he says Ridley would be really slow, and yet he put Ridley in the game as a boss that was bigger and faster than any playable character!  Excuses, Excuses.  The reason Ridley didn't get in isn't because of size problems (anyone who still thinks that should be shot), speed problems, popularity, or any other game mechanics, it's because Sakurai made this game for himself instead of the fans; that's why ROB, Olimar, Pit, and Ice Climbers got in, and yet more popular characters with more games, such as Krystal, Ridley, and Ray 01, didn't get in.

I agreed with you until the end.

Olimar, Pit, and Ice Climbers, all deserve to be there.
Olimar has a popular franchise. Pit added to the number of retro characters. Ice Climbers were a completely unique character that deserved to stay.

I don't think those four characters didn't affect whether or not Krystal, Ridley, and Ray 01 got in.
We didn't need a 35-character limit on the roster..

I didn't say that Olimar, Pit, and Ice Climbers didn't deserve to be there, I said that those others I listed deserved it more.  And in terms of whether or not something deserves to be in Smash, I never count their contributions to the Smash games:  for example, NOW that Ice Climbers have already been in, there's no way they could go, but if they had never been in Smash in the first place, no one would be complaining "Popo and Nana should have been in Brawl as a team!!!"  Meanwhile, we've got tons of Krystal, Ridley, Ray 01, and even Deoxys fans that Sakurai completely ignored.  Also, on a less relevant note, why did Silver get an appearance in a level, and Rouge didn't even get a trophy?!?  Rouge is way more important to the Sonic series than Silver, or Blaze for that matter (both of whom, by the way, got their own trophies)!

Eh... Olimar deserved to be in more than any of those people. With the exception of Ray01, all of those  characters are just sub-characters in their series. Shouldn't main characters like Olimar and Pit get in before sub characters?

Olimar:  yes
Pit:  not sure, seeing as how he only had two games, both of which are really old and not exactly ground-breaking or super famous

But this still doesn't explain why Ray 01 didn't get in as playable:  Custom Robo has had more games than Pikmin, it's been out longer than Pikmin, it's newest game is newer than the newest Pikmin, and because of all this, it's probably more popular than Pikmin.  And Ray 01's size isn't a problem, seeing as how even though he's only a foot high, he's still 12x taller than Olimar.

Custom Robo really isn't that popular.
I believe Pikmin sells better than the Custom Robo games.

Both of the Pikmin games have reached 1 million sales.
http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=Pikmin

Now I'm not sure about Custom Robo, but I don't think it's reached that many sales.

It is a good franchise though, and in my opinion Ray 01 should have been a playable character.

[mario59]

can we move this to another board. this has no relevance to the subject and if mack was here and this was not his thread, he would lock it and tell you to make a new thread for this.

[Cornwad]

can we move this to another board. this has no relevance to the subject and if mack was here and this was not his thread, he would lock it and tell you to make a new thread for this.

But we're talking about possible characters for Smash 4, its perfectly relevant ;D

[Kilroy]

By hunter i mean non-clone, and i honestly think sakurai might just come back!

But Ridley has been in almost every Metroid game... every hunter except Sylux has only been in one. Besides, those Japanese people don't seem to be too fond of Metroid Prime. I would think that Ridley (being the only other Metroid character of real importance) would get in first.

I still think a Hunter would get in first, despite who's more important. It'd be much easier to do, and Ridley should stay as a boss. He works fine as a boss, why change him?

[Java]

By hunter i mean non-clone, and i honestly think sakurai might just come back!

But Ridley has been in almost every Metroid game... every hunter except Sylux has only been in one. Besides, those Japanese people don't seem to be too fond of Metroid Prime. I would think that Ridley (being the only other Metroid character of real importance) would get in first.

I still think a Hunter would get in first, despite who's more important. It'd be much easier to do, and Ridley should stay as a boss. He works fine as a boss, why change him?

I'd rather them not go the easy route, I want to see some creativity in the roster.

[mario59]

This may as well go in the, original ideas thread. :D

[Apollo]

can we move this to another board. this has no relevance to the subject and if mack was here and this was not his thread, he would lock it and tell you to make a new thread for this.

sounds like we got another mackormoses suck up
jk kinda
well anyways
ridley is a really good boss and bosses should be saved for beating up, not playing

[Cornwad]

can we move this to another board. this has no relevance to the subject and if mack was here and this was not his thread, he would lock it and tell you to make a new thread for this.

sounds like we got another mackormoses suck up
jk kinda
well anyways
ridley is a really good boss and bosses should be saved for beating up, not playing

Like Bowser and King Dedede?  ;D

[Apollo]

can we move this to another board. this has no relevance to the subject and if mack was here and this was not his thread, he would lock it and tell you to make a new thread for this.

sounds like we got another mackormoses suck up
jk kinda
well anyways
ridley is a really good boss and bosses should be saved for beating up, not playing

Like Bowser and King Dedede?  ;D

no not at all
those characters can easily be made playable
same reason rayquaza isnt playable
sometimes characters just have a certain place in the world

[Cornwad]

can we move this to another board. this has no relevance to the subject and if mack was here and this was not his thread, he would lock it and tell you to make a new thread for this.

sounds like we got another mackormoses suck up
jk kinda
well anyways
ridley is a really good boss and bosses should be saved for beating up, not playing

Like Bowser and King Dedede?  ;D

no not at all
those characters can easily be made playable
same reason rayquaza isnt playable
sometimes characters just have a certain place in the world

Its not a question on how easy they are to make playable, they must have spent some time getting PT to work out...
And Rayquaza isn't playable because no one likes Rayquaza :P